Will Tyson come back?

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Who knows. Fury may be the kinda of guy who is motivated by having lost, and determined to come back better. We're all writing him off as he'll do worse in the rematch, but hell who knows. Lots of factors at play. Usyk has been injury prone in the past so if a shoulder injury were to rear it's ugly head in the middle of the rematch, that would likely be enough for Fury to edge it.

It's not as if Fury was hopelessly outclassed here.

But yes as is, Usyk has pretty well stamped himself as the best Heavyweight of his generation with this win, and one of the great P4P fighters of this generation period. He honestly has nothing left to prove. There is no bigger mountain to climb.
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I'd love to see Usyk retire now,that took a lot from him and he's at the top so call it a day and be one of a few greats who retired as champion.Fury,well he could spiral out of control now and it would drive him nuts if he didn't get the chance of revenge.
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514126 wrote: 19 May 2024, 03:19 I'd love to see Usyk retire now,that took a lot from him and he's at the top so call it a day and be one of a few greats who retired as champion.Fury,well he could spiral out of control now and it would drive him nuts if he didn't get the chance of revenge.
I would also like to see Usyk retire. What else does he need to do? Nothing.
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Cyclops wrote: 19 May 2024, 03:20
514126 wrote: 19 May 2024, 03:19 I'd love to see Usyk retire now,that took a lot from him and he's at the top so call it a day and be one of a few greats who retired as champion.Fury,well he could spiral out of control now and it would drive him nuts if he didn't get the chance of revenge.
I would also like to see Usyk retire. What else does he need to do? Nothing.
I’d like to see him take on Chisora again as felt they have unfinished business :yay: :yay:
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MacTavish wrote: 19 May 2024, 03:25
Cyclops wrote: 19 May 2024, 03:20
514126 wrote: 19 May 2024, 03:19 I'd love to see Usyk retire now,that took a lot from him and he's at the top so call it a day and be one of a few greats who retired as champion.Fury,well he could spiral out of control now and it would drive him nuts if he didn't get the chance of revenge.
I would also like to see Usyk retire. What else does he need to do? Nothing.
I’d like to see him take on Chisora again as felt they have unfinished business :yay: :yay:
Until Usyk wins the prestigious bridgerweight title then he's not fulfilled his potential in my eyes :lol:
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indeed

notice how usyk went from cruiser to hw, and hasnt fought any bouts at the weight in between? he never dealt with the power of a hw and the speed of a cruiser combined in 1 :bag:
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gregregegg wrote: 18 May 2024, 21:13 Fury should fight usyk again. It’s. No loss situation, either he wins and is back to “best of a generation” claims, or he loses and he is right where he is just 50+ million richer.

That was clear enough for me. And usyk is 37… so my My perfect world would be. Usyk retire on top.

Then…
AJ vs Fury for the WBC belt (pay off kab)
Parker vs kab for the WBO belt.
DDD vs hrg for the IBF belt
Bakole vs wilder/zhang winner for the WBA belt
(Or any better combination, you get the idea)
And start the alfebet soup game again.

Get the prospects rumbling bellow as contenders so the next lot of olympians can come in and be prospects, bring Jai up from cruiserweight… division in bliss.
Love how Usyk has comprehensivly beat AJ, twice. Beat Fury, but you th8bk he should retire and both those guys should fight on.
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Cyclops wrote: 19 May 2024, 03:20
514126 wrote: 19 May 2024, 03:19 I'd love to see Usyk retire now,that took a lot from him and he's at the top so call it a day and be one of a few greats who retired as champion.Fury,well he could spiral out of control now and it would drive him nuts if he didn't get the chance of revenge.
I would also like to see Usyk retire. What else does he need to do? Nothing.
Uysk needs to earn 100+million like Fury did. He got screwed to take this fight by a guy with one belt and a big mouth. Job's done, mouth shut, time to earn.
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Alba wrote: 19 May 2024, 03:40
gregregegg wrote: 18 May 2024, 21:13 Fury should fight usyk again. It’s. No loss situation, either he wins and is back to “best of a generation” claims, or he loses and he is right where he is just 50+ million richer.

That was clear enough for me. And usyk is 37… so my My perfect world would be. Usyk retire on top.

Then…
AJ vs Fury for the WBC belt (pay off kab)
Parker vs kab for the WBO belt.
DDD vs hrg for the IBF belt
Bakole vs wilder/zhang winner for the WBA belt
(Or any better combination, you get the idea)
And start the alfebet soup game again.

Get the prospects rumbling bellow as contenders so the next lot of olympians can come in and be prospects, bring Jai up from cruiserweight… division in bliss.
Love how Usyk has comprehensivly beat AJ, twice. Beat Fury, but you th8bk he should retire and both those guys should fight on.
There are 2 key differences.

Usyk is older. And usyk has achieved everything there is to achieve in the sport. That combo means he is set for retirement .
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Alba wrote: 19 May 2024, 03:40
gregregegg wrote: 18 May 2024, 21:13 Fury should fight usyk again. It’s. No loss situation, either he wins and is back to “best of a generation” claims, or he loses and he is right where he is just 50+ million richer.

That was clear enough for me. And usyk is 37… so my My perfect world would be. Usyk retire on top.

Then…
AJ vs Fury for the WBC belt (pay off kab)
Parker vs kab for the WBO belt.
DDD vs hrg for the IBF belt
Bakole vs wilder/zhang winner for the WBA belt
(Or any better combination, you get the idea)
And start the alfebet soup game again.

Get the prospects rumbling bellow as contenders so the next lot of olympians can come in and be prospects, bring Jai up from cruiserweight… division in bliss.
Love how Usyk has comprehensivly beat AJ, twice. Beat Fury, but you th8bk he should retire and both those guys should fight on.
Everyone loses in the end. I think most of us are so pleased that Usyk has essentially completed boxing: age will catch up with him in the end. He is a joy to watch, but nobody wants to see the decline.
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As far as I`m aware Fury and Usyk have to do it again to pocket the $100 million (or whatever the sum was).

Fury did better than I expected, and had some early round success (as most Usyk opponents do). He was very much in it until the end - if only a step or two behind.

Fury thinks he won it - his hardcore cretin fans also think he won it too. So he definitely comes back again for the rematch. Whether it actually happens this year is another thing though.

Slava Ukraini :salut:
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I never get why fighters insult an opponents skills and size before a fight.

If you win, who cares, you just beat a bum or a clown or a middleweight shorter than Paris in this case. If you lose, you just lost to a bum or a clown or a middleweight shorter than Paris in this case.

I would big up every opponent I face because it makes me look better in victory.
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tonyevs wrote: 19 May 2024, 03:57 As far as I`m aware Fury and Usyk have to do it again to pocket the $100 million (or whatever the sum was).

Fury did better than I expected, and had some early round success (as most Usyk opponents do). He was very much in it until the end - if only a step or two behind.

Fury thinks he won it - his hardcore cretin fans also think he won it too. So he definitely comes back again for the rematch. Whether it actually happens this year is another thing though.

Slava Ukraini :salut:
Nobody thinks Fury won, do they? Perhaps his Dad? Even Fury himself will know he lost when he watches it back. There really isn't any argument that he won. He did well, but he lost clearly.
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Cyclops wrote: 19 May 2024, 02:18 However much we all hate him Fury is Usyk’s best, and career defining win.

Tyson Fury is very good. Usyk is brilliant.

I expect to see the rematch.
I really hope Usyk just packs it in, team Fury messed him about and treated him like shit for 2 years, be great if he just said fxuk you and broke out the pipe and slippers.
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im sure the people he has around him will blow it up his arse that he won, was robbed etc

coco and dr duke here scored it for him. vast majority had usyk winning , as he should've,, but im sure he can find plenty of arse kissers
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tigermoth87 wrote: 19 May 2024, 03:59 I never get why fighters insult an opponents skills and size before a fight.

If you win, who cares, you just beat a bum or a clown or a middleweight shorter than Paris in this case. If you lose, you just lost to a bum or a clown or a middleweight shorter than Paris in this case.

I would big up every opponent I face because it makes me look better in victory.
Well, Tuson Fury isn't very clever.
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margaret thatcher wrote: 19 May 2024, 04:04 im sure the people he has around him will blow it up his arse that he won, was robbed etc

coco and dr duke here scored it for him. vast majority had usyk winning , as he should've,, but im sure he can find plenty of arse kissers
I thought Fury was starting to take over before his nose got busted up. The first 3 were swing rounds for me, then Fury started to do some excellent work, looked relaxed while Usyk looked frustrated. But then his nose went, he was all but stopped, then lost the next round clearing his head, and never really got back into it.
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Why not, he lost close.
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I scored that narrowly for Tyson but I did give him a few of the early rounds that others didn't, plus 12. He looked very sharp apart from 8 and 9.

The war comment was unfortunate and he had a chance but declined to apologise in the post fight press conference.

Apart from that, he took it on the chin and seemed quite stable so I think he will be back for the rematch as long as usyk still wants it.
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it defo wasnt a bad loss, clearly lost but competitive fight vs a good opponent. didnt look shot. still has big mony making potential. but fury is fairly erratic and emotional. previous history of discipline issues. and his first loss so we dont know how he takes it

i think he'll be okay and come backc, but i'd be less surprised if he goes off the rails or kicks his career than i would be for most fighters.
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Cyclops wrote: 19 May 2024, 04:09
margaret thatcher wrote: 19 May 2024, 04:04 im sure the people he has around him will blow it up his arse that he won, was robbed etc

coco and dr duke here scored it for him. vast majority had usyk winning , as he should've,, but im sure he can find plenty of arse kissers
I thought Fury was starting to take over before his nose got busted up. The first 3 were swing rounds for me, then Fury started to do some excellent work, looked relaxed while Usyk looked frustrated. But then his nose went, he was all but stopped, then lost the next round clearing his head, and never really got back into it.
see there's another person above scoring it for fury. i agree with your take and cant see a fury win at all, but im sure he'll think he won, and it 'll be blown up his arse by the people he cares to listen to and flies out to his fights

with his personality, it might be very important to stay deluded and not think any one else couldve possibly beat him. seems like right down to his family life and upbringing his existencee is based heavily on being the baddest man on the planet, cant have him being beat by a man born of a mother, jepordizes his whole identity
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margaret thatcher wrote: 19 May 2024, 04:20
Cyclops wrote: 19 May 2024, 04:09
margaret thatcher wrote: 19 May 2024, 04:04 im sure the people he has around him will blow it up his arse that he won, was robbed etc

coco and dr duke here scored it for him. vast majority had usyk winning , as he should've,, but im sure he can find plenty of arse kissers
I thought Fury was starting to take over before his nose got busted up. The first 3 were swing rounds for me, then Fury started to do some excellent work, looked relaxed while Usyk looked frustrated. But then his nose went, he was all but stopped, then lost the next round clearing his head, and never really got back into it.
see there's another person above scoring it for fury. i agree with your take and cant see a fury win at all, but im sure he'll think he won, and it 'll be blown up his arse by the people he cares to listen to and flies out to his fights

with his personality, it might be very important to stay deluded and not think any one else couldve possibly beat him
He's a boxer. He has to think like that. They're all mental. I don't begrudge him telling himself that he won. You don't get to where he has by thinking like a normal person.
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ya i agree, and that's why when he watches it back he'll still think he won
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Fury can be given 2-7 and 12, what is a win for him.

His chin is going from him, that caused the major problem.
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margaret thatcher wrote: 19 May 2024, 04:25 ya i agree, and that's why when he watches it back he'll still think he won
Ah well... Look, it was a really good fight. Very enjoyable. I'm sure the rematch will be great too. I think we all overthink it too much on this forum sometimes.

Apart from Fury's comments at the end, I thought he acquitted himself well. It's a shame he said that, but he didn't throw the belts out of the ring or anything.
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