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Coneye - the corner was a shambles.

Loynesy wrote: ↑27 May 2024, 10:04 Coneye - the corner was a shambles.

Yes Terrible corner work , and the fact that Sugar did'nt pipe up has lead cornerman and tell the others to SHUT IT , speaks volumes,, h'es there for a payday that is very obvious , Jeez i would'nt even put up with that in an ameteur fight , , i would and have told others to button it , one corner one voice a fight of that magnitude , it was terrible

If on the big occasion he is shouted over,, to scared to become the captain of the ship , makes you think who's been running the show in camp , Andy Lee has done a great job with parker .

but i'm fairly sure it was him who told Fury your in front , The dad was screaming move around light punches , (what a pillock ) and the only one who made sence was the yes man SUGAR .

for nothing else but profesional pride if theres a rematch, Sugar should DEMAND the other two are gone from camp and especielly the corner, there just too emotionaly involved

But all said and done i doubt any advice would of changed too much Fury was simply outboxed by a better boxer , and personaly with his whole demeanor before the fight i think for once was actually the one who was intimidated

Tend to agree with you.

A few observations:

1. Fury trying to get messy at the weigh in was deliberate but Usyk clearly didn't give two hoots.

2. If you have spent your career intimidating people (and I'm not criticising that incidentally) and then someone is in no way intimidated it must make you question your strategy and thought process.

3. The difference between the two corners was probably the biggest differential I've ever seen in an elite fight. Fury having multiple people screaming different things in his ear, Usyk just sitting there calmly with people he has worked with for at least a decade and clearly trusts.

4. As I've posted before, other than a cut man, I don't think Usyk actually needs a corner as he is a smart enough boxer to work things out himself.

5. A fully fit, well trained and coached Fury should be 50/50 in the rematch but I strongly suspect he won't put the maths in that favour.



Just some thoughts, feel free to disagree guys.

Loynesy wrote: ↑28 May 2024, 05:16 Tend to agree with you.

A few observations:

1. Fury trying to get messy at the weigh in was deliberate but Usyk clearly didn't give two hoots.

2. If you have spent your career intimidating people (and I'm not criticising that incidentally) and then someone is in no way intimidated it must make you question your strategy and thought process.

3. The difference between the two corners was probably the biggest differential I've ever seen in an elite fight. Fury having multiple people screaming different things in his ear, Usyk just sitting there calmly with people he has worked with for at least a decade and clearly trusts.

4. As I've posted before, other than a cut man, I don't think Usyk actually needs a corner as he is a smart enough boxer to work things out himself.

5. A fully fit, well trained and coached Fury should be 50/50 in the rematch but I strongly suspect he won't put the maths in that favour.



Just some thoughts, feel free to disagree guys.

Not much there i would disagree with , your right about Usyk he is a smart boxer he works it ut , knows his corner man so well he probably thinks excatly the same , how many trainers has Fury had

I think on point 5, if Fury does now kick back now for the rest of the year and does get fat and out of shape, at his age he’s never going to be physically any better than he was in Usyk 1. Probably worse physically in reality. As might Usyk be of course, although more through age and wear and tear, than obesity.

Loynesy wrote: ↑28 May 2024, 05:16 Tend to agree with you.

A few observations:

1. Fury trying to get messy at the weigh in was deliberate but Usyk clearly didn't give two hoots.

2. If you have spent your career intimidating people (and I'm not criticising that incidentally) and then someone is in no way intimidated it must make you question your strategy and thought process.

3. The difference between the two corners was probably the biggest differential I've ever seen in an elite fight. Fury having multiple people screaming different things in his ear, Usyk just sitting there calmly with people he has worked with for at least a decade and clearly trusts.

4. As I've posted before, other than a cut man, I don't think Usyk actually needs a corner as he is a smart enough boxer to work things out himself.

5. A fully fit, well trained and coached Fury should be 50/50 in the rematch but I strongly suspect he won't put the maths in that favour.



Just some thoughts, feel free to disagree guys.

I don't think we'll ever see a fully fit Fury again.

coneye wrote: ↑28 May 2024, 07:25

Loynesy wrote: ↑28 May 2024, 05:16 Tend to agree with you.

A few observations:

1. Fury trying to get messy at the weigh in was deliberate but Usyk clearly didn't give two hoots.

2. If you have spent your career intimidating people (and I'm not criticising that incidentally) and then someone is in no way intimidated it must make you question your strategy and thought process.

3. The difference between the two corners was probably the biggest differential I've ever seen in an elite fight. Fury having multiple people screaming different things in his ear, Usyk just sitting there calmly with people he has worked with for at least a decade and clearly trusts.

4. As I've posted before, other than a cut man, I don't think Usyk actually needs a corner as he is a smart enough boxer to work things out himself.

5. A fully fit, well trained and coached Fury should be 50/50 in the rematch but I strongly suspect he won't put the maths in that favour.



Just some thoughts, feel free to disagree guys.

Not much there i would disagree with , your right about Usyk he is a smart boxer he works it ut , knows his corner man so well he probably thinks excatly the same , how many trainers has Fury had

I agree, Usyk, in the vast majority of cases, knows what to do in there, however, he has people around him, just as if not more knowledgeable, that he trusts enough to advise him if things get a bit rough in there and he loses his way.

A lot was made about how Fury was on the verge of stopping Usyk, but I'm afraid that's hyperbole, - I'll be the first to admit, that it looked ominous for a couple of rounds, and Usyk didn't look at all comfortable- but then, well Usyk adjusted, stopped giving Fury the room and time to work, cranked up the pressure, got him off balance over his back foot, and smashed him up.

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑28 May 2024, 10:25

coneye wrote: ↑28 May 2024, 07:25

Loynesy wrote: ↑28 May 2024, 05:16 Tend to agree with you.

A few observations:

1. Fury trying to get messy at the weigh in was deliberate but Usyk clearly didn't give two hoots.

2. If you have spent your career intimidating people (and I'm not criticising that incidentally) and then someone is in no way intimidated it must make you question your strategy and thought process.

3. The difference between the two corners was probably the biggest differential I've ever seen in an elite fight. Fury having multiple people screaming different things in his ear, Usyk just sitting there calmly with people he has worked with for at least a decade and clearly trusts.

4. As I've posted before, other than a cut man, I don't think Usyk actually needs a corner as he is a smart enough boxer to work things out himself.

5. A fully fit, well trained and coached Fury should be 50/50 in the rematch but I strongly suspect he won't put the maths in that favour.



Just some thoughts, feel free to disagree guys.

Not much there i would disagree with , your right about Usyk he is a smart boxer he works it ut , knows his corner man so well he probably thinks excatly the same , how many trainers has Fury had

I agree, Usyk, in the vast majority of cases, knows what to do in there, however, he has people around him, just as if not more knowledgeable, that he trusts enough to advise him if things get a bit rough in there and he loses his way.

A lot was made about how Fury was on the verge of stopping Usyk, but I'm afraid that's hyperbole, - I'll be the first to admit, that it looked ominous for a couple of rounds, and Usyk didn't look at all comfortable- but then, well Usyk adjusted, stopped giving Fury the room and time to work, cranked up the pressure, got him off balance over his back foot, and smashed him up.

It's nonsense if anyone thought Fury was on the verge of stopping Uysk, yes he was a bit uncomfortable, but upped his gears and Fury himself should have been stopped

old man fury will be kept away next time around is my bet .
at least andy lee and sugar hill are proper qualified trainers whilst john fury is really only qualified to get into some shite with his big gob and cause unwanted problems .

TBH I dont see fury being able to stay in shape from now til december so will have a lot of work to do come camp .

Whilst Usyk is in great shape and always comes in extremely well prepped and focused .
I also echo the points made on other threads about Usyk being able to adapt and adjust even more after the first fight to make it even harder for fury .

stevec@france wrote: ↑29 May 2024, 11:54 old man fury will be kept away next time around is my bet .
at least andy lee and sugar hill are proper qualified trainers whilst john fury is really only qualified to get into some shite with his big gob and cause unwanted problems .

TBH I dont see fury being able to stay in shape from now til december so will have a lot of work to do come camp .

Whilst Usyk is in great shape and always comes in extremely well prepped and focused .
I also echo the points made on other threads about Usyk being able to adapt and adjust even more after the first fight to make it even harder for fury .

Fury Sr's lone qualification is that his nutsack is where it all began.

Usyk will probably be in better shape between fights, than Fury is for the main event.

I suspect in the 2nd fight, he will anticipate Fury trying to start faster, and he will make him work really hard to pin him down and set some traps for him too.

After the 1st fight, you would have to say, Usyk looked the more dangerous puncher in there. He will have a plan b and if plan b doesn't work, a plan c.

It could end up being very cagey, as Fury might be wary now of walking into one of those massive hooks.

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑29 May 2024, 12:05

stevec@france wrote: ↑29 May 2024, 11:54 old man fury will be kept away next time around is my bet .
at least andy lee and sugar hill are proper qualified trainers whilst john fury is really only qualified to get into some shite with his big gob and cause unwanted problems .

TBH I dont see fury being able to stay in shape from now til december so will have a lot of work to do come camp .

Whilst Usyk is in great shape and always comes in extremely well prepped and focused .
I also echo the points made on other threads about Usyk being able to adapt and adjust even more after the first fight to make it even harder for fury .

Fury Sr's lone qualification is that his nutsack is where it all began.

Usyk will probably be in better shape between fights, than Fury is for the main event.

I suspect in the 2nd fight, he will anticipate Fury trying to start faster, and he will make him work really hard to pin him down and set some traps for him too.

After the 1st fight, you would have to say, Usyk looked the more dangerous puncher in there. He will have a plan b and if plan b doesn't work, a plan c.

It could end up being very cagey, as Fury might be wary now of walking into one of those massive hooks.

I'd like to see Fury come out, take center ring and keep Usyk on the end of his long leavers. That said, if he does, I think he'll get knocked out.

If Sugar Hill has implemented the Kronk style, I didn't see it for much of the first fight.

jwfg wrote: ↑29 May 2024, 12:21

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑29 May 2024, 12:05

stevec@france wrote: ↑29 May 2024, 11:54 old man fury will be kept away next time around is my bet .
at least andy lee and sugar hill are proper qualified trainers whilst john fury is really only qualified to get into some shite with his big gob and cause unwanted problems .

TBH I dont see fury being able to stay in shape from now til december so will have a lot of work to do come camp .

Whilst Usyk is in great shape and always comes in extremely well prepped and focused .
I also echo the points made on other threads about Usyk being able to adapt and adjust even more after the first fight to make it even harder for fury .

Fury Sr's lone qualification is that his nutsack is where it all began.

Usyk will probably be in better shape between fights, than Fury is for the main event.

I suspect in the 2nd fight, he will anticipate Fury trying to start faster, and he will make him work really hard to pin him down and set some traps for him too.

After the 1st fight, you would have to say, Usyk looked the more dangerous puncher in there. He will have a plan b and if plan b doesn't work, a plan c.

It could end up being very cagey, as Fury might be wary now of walking into one of those massive hooks.

I'd like to see Fury come out, take center ring and keep Usyk on the end of his long leavers. That said, if he does, I think he'll get knocked out.

If Sugar Hill has implemented the Kronk style, I didn't see it for much of the first fight.

It was very noticable, that Usyk didn't allow that last time, despite the commentators talking utter bollocks, and braying on about how Fury was dominating centre ring, he was in fact, pushed back towards the periphery, from the get go, and Usyk, for the vast majority of the fight, remained on the front foot, putting pressure on Fury, who was doing a lot of moving to try and find room for his own shots.

I am looking forward to rewatching the 1st fight in full maybe this weekend - in a calm way ! rather than the live version where I was shouting at the telly in the 9th

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑29 May 2024, 12:25

jwfg wrote: ↑29 May 2024, 12:21

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑29 May 2024, 12:05

Fury Sr's lone qualification is that his nutsack is where it all began.

Usyk will probably be in better shape between fights, than Fury is for the main event.

I suspect in the 2nd fight, he will anticipate Fury trying to start faster, and he will make him work really hard to pin him down and set some traps for him too.

After the 1st fight, you would have to say, Usyk looked the more dangerous puncher in there. He will have a plan b and if plan b doesn't work, a plan c.

It could end up being very cagey, as Fury might be wary now of walking into one of those massive hooks.

I'd like to see Fury come out, take center ring and keep Usyk on the end of his long leavers. That said, if he does, I think he'll get knocked out.

If Sugar Hill has implemented the Kronk style, I didn't see it for much of the first fight.

It was very noticable, that Usyk didn't allow that last time, despite the commentators talking utter bollocks, and braying on about how Fury was dominating centre ring, he was in fact, pushed back towards the periphery, from the get go, and Usyk, for the vast majority of the fight, remained on the front foot, putting pressure on Fury, who was doing a lot of moving to try and find room for his own shots.

Pre-fight i was saying it would be interesting to see who takes center ring.

Fury wanted it, Usyk took it and as a result he was able to implement his gameplan much better.

stevec@france wrote: ↑29 May 2024, 14:02 I am looking forward to rewatching the 1st fight in full maybe this weekend - in a calm way ! rather than the live version where I was shouting at the telly in the 9th

There’s full fight on Turki’s YouTube you can hear all the corner chat.

Can't see Fury winning. Doesn't matter how hard he trains, he simply doesn't have the engine, or the dig, to cope with Usyk who I think will be even better in a rematch. They fight ten times, Usyk wins ten times.