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ya, he's sure hurt plenty of women before hasnt he, the right hero to get revenge for them, his concern is about as genuine as yours

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑14 Aug 2024, 23:49 ya, he's sure hurt plenty of women before hasnt he the right hero to get revenge for them, his concern is about as genuine as yours

there's no reason to have womens sports if XY people are allowed in.

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑14 Aug 2024, 16:24

dickbelden wrote: ↑11 Aug 2024, 07:22 XY people should NOT be allowed to compete against XX people---end of story!

Should XY compete with XXY?


What about an XX male, which is a real thing?



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XY_sex-de ... ion_system

If your genes give you strength/size/any other advantage over real women, you should not be allowed to compete with them, period. These two Olympic women beaters were dominating their competition, because they have male body with less fat and more muscle than women.

igor king wrote: ↑15 Aug 2024, 00:13

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑14 Aug 2024, 16:24

dickbelden wrote: ↑11 Aug 2024, 07:22 XY people should NOT be allowed to compete against XX people---end of story!

Should XY compete with XXY?


What about an XX male, which is a real thing?



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XY_sex-de ... ion_system

If your genes give you strength/size/any other advantage over real women, you should not be allowed to compete with them, period. These two Olympic women beaters were dominating their competition, because they have male body with less fat and more muscle than women.

So naturally tall women with reach advantage shouldn't be allowed to compete as they had an advantages? That 16 year Chinese basketball giant shouldn't be allowed because her genes have given her advantages? Or is she a real woman?

The two dominated because the quality of women's boxing was fornicating atrocious. The top former amateurs have all turned pro and there's now a lack of actual talent (Harrington being one if the exceptions). Which was clearly visible when you watched it. Khelif actually knew how to create space and counters, so many others rushed in like headless chickens.

Love how everyone turns into a scientist..

Imane has filed lawsuit again many people

Boxing Prospect wrote: ↑15 Aug 2024, 01:13

igor king wrote: ↑15 Aug 2024, 00:13

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑14 Aug 2024, 16:24

Should XY compete with XXY?


What about an XX male, which is a real thing?



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XY_sex-de ... ion_system

If your genes give you strength/size/any other advantage over real women, you should not be allowed to compete with them, period. These two Olympic women beaters were dominating their competition, because they have male body with less fat and more muscle than women.

So naturally tall women with reach advantage shouldn't be allowed to compete as they had an advantages? That 16 year Chinese basketball giant shouldn't be allowed because her genes have given her advantages? Or is she a real woman?

The two dominated because the quality of women's boxing was fornicating atrocious. The top former amateurs have all turned pro and there's now a lack of actual talent (Harrington being one if the exceptions). Which was clearly visible when you watched it. Khelif actually knew how to create space and counters, so many others rushed in like headless chickens.

Are sports segregated into reach advantage groups? No? Then it isn't the same thing, is it?

igor king wrote: ↑15 Aug 2024, 00:13

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑14 Aug 2024, 16:24

dickbelden wrote: ↑11 Aug 2024, 07:22 XY people should NOT be allowed to compete against XX people---end of story!

Should XY compete with XXY?


What about an XX male, which is a real thing?



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XY_sex-de ... ion_system

If your genes give you strength/size/any other advantage over real women, you should not be allowed to compete with them, period. These two Olympic women beaters were dominating their competition, because they have male body with less fat and more muscle than women.

So does that count when men with an extra Y chromosome have an advantage over "real" men?

You do realize that there are genetic attributes that men will have over other men also, which is way stronger than what the boxer in question had?

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑15 Aug 2024, 11:12

igor king wrote: ↑15 Aug 2024, 00:13

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑14 Aug 2024, 16:24

Should XY compete with XXY?


What about an XX male, which is a real thing?



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XY_sex-de ... ion_system

If your genes give you strength/size/any other advantage over real women, you should not be allowed to compete with them, period. These two Olympic women beaters were dominating their competition, because they have male body with less fat and more muscle than women.

So does that count when men with an extra Y chromosome have an advantage over "real" men?

You do realize that there are genetic attributes that men will have over other men also, which is way stronger than what the boxer in question had?

Women do not have a Y. Well 99.999999999% of them don't. It is a genetic accident. It was not fair to the other women. Two of the gold medal winners for women were XY types.

The men have a Y, or in rare cases a XYY type which have many medical issues.

The XYY type is not a match for an XY.

Ever hear of Down Syndrome?

pound per pound wrote: ↑15 Aug 2024, 16:41

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑15 Aug 2024, 11:12

igor king wrote: ↑15 Aug 2024, 00:13
If your genes give you strength/size/any other advantage over real women, you should not be allowed to compete with them, period. These two Olympic women beaters were dominating their competition, because they have male body with less fat and more muscle than women.

So does that count when men with an extra Y chromosome have an advantage over "real" men?

You do realize that there are genetic attributes that men will have over other men also, which is way stronger than what the boxer in question had?

Women do not have a Y. Well 99.999999999% of them don't. It is a genetic accident. It was not fair to the other women. Two of the gold medal winners for women were XY types.

The men have a Y, or in rare cases a XYY type which have many medical issues.

The XYY type is not a match for an XY.

Ever hear of Down Syndrome?

What about an XXY man?

What about a man who is XX? Some would never know unless they had their DNA tested.

pound per pound wrote: ↑15 Aug 2024, 16:41

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑15 Aug 2024, 11:12

igor king wrote: ↑15 Aug 2024, 00:13
If your genes give you strength/size/any other advantage over real women, you should not be allowed to compete with them, period. These two Olympic women beaters were dominating their competition, because they have male body with less fat and more muscle than women.

So does that count when men with an extra Y chromosome have an advantage over "real" men?

You do realize that there are genetic attributes that men will have over other men also, which is way stronger than what the boxer in question had?

Women do not have a Y. Well 99.999999999% of them don't. It is a genetic accident. It was not fair to the other women. Two of the gold medal winners for women were XY types.

The men have a Y, or in rare cases a XYY type which have many medical issues.

The XYY type is not a match for an XY.

Ever hear of Down Syndrome?

Most with XXY, XX Males, and XYY don't have many, if any, medical issues and tend to find out when they realise they are infertile, because of how little affect they have. They might be slightly taller, slightly less muscle tone, but there's not really anything that's life altering apart from, usually, fertility, and even then there are cases where there is fertility. There are also mosaic conditions, where some have different percentages of X 45, XY 46, XX 46 in different body parts, such as the case of a woman with mosiac XY getting pregnant.

As a result of it only appearing as a fertility issue we really don't know what % of people are effected, as they live such normal lives. It's thought upto 2% of male infertility is due to XX Male, and reports of frequency being 1 in 2000 (so 99.95% of men don't have it, 0.05% of 4 billion is a decent sized chunk of people).

There's also XO, which doesn't seem to have any major medical issues, that are going to be noted, but they have no second chromosome so wouldn't class as a woman under IBA's rules.

XXXY does come with serious medical issues however, including a lot of developmental ones.

Don't confuse it with trisomy 21 VERY different things. And comes with an issue with the 21st chromosome not the 46th.

squiggy wrote: ↑15 Aug 2024, 04:29

Boxing Prospect wrote: ↑15 Aug 2024, 01:13

igor king wrote: ↑15 Aug 2024, 00:13
If your genes give you strength/size/any other advantage over real women, you should not be allowed to compete with them, period. These two Olympic women beaters were dominating their competition, because they have male body with less fat and more muscle than women.

So naturally tall women with reach advantage shouldn't be allowed to compete as they had an advantages? That 16 year Chinese basketball giant shouldn't be allowed because her genes have given her advantages? Or is she a real woman?

The two dominated because the quality of women's boxing was fornicating atrocious. The top former amateurs have all turned pro and there's now a lack of actual talent (Harrington being one if the exceptions). Which was clearly visible when you watched it. Khelif actually knew how to create space and counters, so many others rushed in like headless chickens.

Are sports segregated into reach advantage groups? No? Then it isn't the same thing, is it?

Point being made was that genes can give you an advantage. Regardless divisions in sport, people have natural advantages due to genetics it's part of sport. PCOS or hirutism causing high testosterone in women for example

Boxing Prospect wrote: ↑15 Aug 2024, 01:13

igor king wrote: ↑15 Aug 2024, 00:13

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑14 Aug 2024, 16:24

Should XY compete with XXY?


What about an XX male, which is a real thing?



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XY_sex-de ... ion_system

If your genes give you strength/size/any other advantage over real women, you should not be allowed to compete with them, period. These two Olympic women beaters were dominating their competition, because they have male body with less fat and more muscle than women.

So naturally tall women with reach advantage shouldn't be allowed to compete as they had an advantages? That 16 year Chinese basketball giant shouldn't be allowed because her genes have given her advantages? Or is she a real woman?

The two dominated because the quality of women's boxing was fornicating atrocious. The top former amateurs have all turned pro and there's now a lack of actual talent (Harrington being one if the exceptions). Which was clearly visible when you watched it. Khelif actually knew how to create space and counters, so many others rushed in like headless chickens.

The key word is "naturally". These two have male advantage, not natural female advantage. Thousands of women competed to send a few dozen to Olympics to determine who is the best, and that was all thrown away by adding a couple people with unfair advantage.

igor king wrote: ↑16 Aug 2024, 10:21

Boxing Prospect wrote: ↑15 Aug 2024, 01:13

igor king wrote: ↑15 Aug 2024, 00:13
If your genes give you strength/size/any other advantage over real women, you should not be allowed to compete with them, period. These two Olympic women beaters were dominating their competition, because they have male body with less fat and more muscle than women.

So naturally tall women with reach advantage shouldn't be allowed to compete as they had an advantages? That 16 year Chinese basketball giant shouldn't be allowed because her genes have given her advantages? Or is she a real woman?

The two dominated because the quality of women's boxing was fornicating atrocious. The top former amateurs have all turned pro and there's now a lack of actual talent (Harrington being one if the exceptions). Which was clearly visible when you watched it. Khelif actually knew how to create space and counters, so many others rushed in like headless chickens.

The key word is "naturally". These two have male advantage, not natural female advantage. Thousands of women competed to send a few dozen to Olympics to determine who is the best, and that was all thrown away by adding a couple people with unfair advantage.

its a different kind of 'natural' tho so its the bad natural not the good natural

clear as could be bro, well done

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑16 Aug 2024, 10:40

igor king wrote: ↑16 Aug 2024, 10:21

Boxing Prospect wrote: ↑15 Aug 2024, 01:13

So naturally tall women with reach advantage shouldn't be allowed to compete as they had an advantages? That 16 year Chinese basketball giant shouldn't be allowed because her genes have given her advantages? Or is she a real woman?

The two dominated because the quality of women's boxing was fornicating atrocious. The top former amateurs have all turned pro and there's now a lack of actual talent (Harrington being one if the exceptions). Which was clearly visible when you watched it. Khelif actually knew how to create space and counters, so many others rushed in like headless chickens.

The key word is "naturally". These two have male advantage, not natural female advantage. Thousands of women competed to send a few dozen to Olympics to determine who is the best, and that was all thrown away by adding a couple people with unfair advantage.

its a different kind of 'natural' tho so its the bad natural not the good natural

clear as could be bro, well done

Yes, it is clear. XX - women, XY - men. Any mutations should be considered on an individual basis, and these two were not properly tested before letting them practice domestic abuse in the ring.

igor king wrote: ↑16 Aug 2024, 11:14

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑16 Aug 2024, 10:40

igor king wrote: ↑16 Aug 2024, 10:21
The key word is "naturally". These two have male advantage, not natural female advantage. Thousands of women competed to send a few dozen to Olympics to determine who is the best, and that was all thrown away by adding a couple people with unfair advantage.

its a different kind of 'natural' tho so its the bad natural not the good natural

clear as could be bro, well done

Yes, it is clear. XX - women, XY - men. Any mutations should be considered on an individual basis, and these two were not properly tested before letting them practice domestic abuse in the ring.

The key word is "naturally". or apparently, it isn't

igor king wrote: ↑16 Aug 2024, 11:14

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑16 Aug 2024, 10:40

igor king wrote: ↑16 Aug 2024, 10:21
The key word is "naturally". These two have male advantage, not natural female advantage. Thousands of women competed to send a few dozen to Olympics to determine who is the best, and that was all thrown away by adding a couple people with unfair advantage.

its a different kind of 'natural' tho so its the bad natural not the good natural

clear as could be bro, well done

Yes, it is clear. XX - women, XY - men. Any mutations should be considered on an individual basis, and these two were not properly tested before letting them practice domestic abuse in the ring.

What about an XXY man, which is considered normal but different than an XY?

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑16 Aug 2024, 22:50

igor king wrote: ↑16 Aug 2024, 11:14

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑16 Aug 2024, 10:40

its a different kind of 'natural' tho so its the bad natural not the good natural

clear as could be bro, well done

Yes, it is clear. XX - women, XY - men. Any mutations should be considered on an individual basis, and these two were not properly tested before letting them practice domestic abuse in the ring.

What about an XXY man, which is considered normal but different than an XY?

Whether it is "normal" or a genetic condition in men, they shouldn't be competing against women.

Boxing Prospect wrote: ↑16 Aug 2024, 02:14

squiggy wrote: ↑15 Aug 2024, 04:29

Boxing Prospect wrote: ↑15 Aug 2024, 01:13

So naturally tall women with reach advantage shouldn't be allowed to compete as they had an advantages? That 16 year Chinese basketball giant shouldn't be allowed because her genes have given her advantages? Or is she a real woman?

The two dominated because the quality of women's boxing was fornicating atrocious. The top former amateurs have all turned pro and there's now a lack of actual talent (Harrington being one if the exceptions). Which was clearly visible when you watched it. Khelif actually knew how to create space and counters, so many others rushed in like headless chickens.

Are sports segregated into reach advantage groups? No? Then it isn't the same thing, is it?

Point being made was that genes can give you an advantage. Regardless divisions in sport, people have natural advantages due to genetics it's part of sport. PCOS or hirutism causing high testosterone in women for example

Having advantages is one thing; not being a member of the relevant category is another. You wouldn't put Zhilei Zhang in the ring with Naoya Inoue and say wow, Zhang really took advantage of his genes with that huge knockout! You wouldn't put them in the ring together to begin with because of long established means of segregating fighters into different bouts, see?

igor king wrote: ↑17 Aug 2024, 11:09

IKSRTFO wrote: ↑16 Aug 2024, 22:50

igor king wrote: ↑16 Aug 2024, 11:14
Yes, it is clear. XX - women, XY - men. Any mutations should be considered on an individual basis, and these two were not properly tested before letting them practice domestic abuse in the ring.

What about an XXY man, which is considered normal but different than an XY?

Whether it is "normal" or a genetic condition in men, they shouldn't be competing against women.

A man with XX is the same as a woman with XY, but appears as a man, except they can't produce sperm.