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handsofstone wrote: ↑05 Oct 2024, 06:50 No disrespect to Dale Arrowsmith but anyone with his record shouldn't be allow to compete as a professional at anything much less boxing

A lot of new pro's used to have these types of boxers on their records. Especially on small hall shows. TBH, not seen these kind of records on a televised card for a long time

JamesPhilips wrote: ↑05 Oct 2024, 06:55

handsofstone wrote: ↑05 Oct 2024, 06:50 No disrespect to Dale Arrowsmith but anyone with his record shouldn't be allow to compete as a professional at anything much less boxing

It’s an unfortunate byproduct of the crooked journey man system we have in the UK. Fighters basically paid to lose, usually on points. They don’t even try to win.

I thought the Board reserved the right to retain purses if a fighter didn’t try? Arrowsmith and his ilk should have had 100 purses retained.

I blame Nobby Nobbs, he started all this supposedly acceptable professional journeyman losers. It’s a scam. I may be wrong but it seems only Britain has this kind of set up of professional paid losers.

oh no
hence the phrase " mexican roadsweepers "

JamesPhilips wrote: ↑05 Oct 2024, 06:55

handsofstone wrote: ↑05 Oct 2024, 06:50 No disrespect to Dale Arrowsmith but anyone with his record shouldn't be allow to compete as a professional at anything much less boxing

It’s an unfortunate byproduct of the crooked journey man system we have in the UK. Fighters basically paid to lose, usually on points. They don’t even try to win.

I thought the Board reserved the right to retain purses if a fighter didn’t try? Arrowsmith and his ilk should have had 100 purses retained.

I blame Nobby Nobbs, he started all this supposedly acceptable professional journeyman losers. It’s a scam. I may be wrong but it seems only Britain has this kind of set up of professional paid losers.

Couldn't agree more, you'd never see the like in America

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑05 Oct 2024, 07:06

handsofstone wrote: ↑05 Oct 2024, 06:50 No disrespect to Dale Arrowsmith but anyone with his record shouldn't be allow to compete as a professional at anything much less boxing

A lot of new pro's used to have these types of boxers on their records. Especially on small hall shows. TBH, not seen these kind of records on a televised card for a long time

Eddie's cards aren't as stacked as they were a few years ago but they're definitely a lot more competitive top to bottom, I prefer that than a name fighting a can

Just gotta compare British boxers that started out in the 2000's..

Look at their first 10 pro bouts.

Then look at a American fighter of the same calibre and their first 10 pro bouts.

It was a way to pad and protect a record too in some ways.

Even Nick Ball's first 12 pro bouts weren't exactly the best. Just noticed, he didn't even go through the traditional route.

Not many left who have over 100 losses.

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They get articles when they retire

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/65126114

Article even says, he's a self-proclaimed loser

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/boxin ... d-27602120

another

Bellew recently spoke quite highly of another that retired on Sky Sports.

stevec@france wrote: ↑05 Oct 2024, 07:17

JamesPhilips wrote: ↑05 Oct 2024, 06:55

handsofstone wrote: ↑05 Oct 2024, 06:50 No disrespect to Dale Arrowsmith but anyone with his record shouldn't be allow to compete as a professional at anything much less boxing

It’s an unfortunate byproduct of the crooked journey man system we have in the UK. Fighters basically paid to lose, usually on points. They don’t even try to win.

I thought the Board reserved the right to retain purses if a fighter didn’t try? Arrowsmith and his ilk should have had 100 purses retained.

I blame Nobby Nobbs, he started all this supposedly acceptable professional journeyman losers. It’s a scam. I may be wrong but it seems only Britain has this kind of set up of professional paid losers.

oh no
hence the phrase " mexican roadsweepers "

That was a phrase coined by Nigel Benn, who oddly never boxed a Mexican
But who needs foreign roadsweepers when there are endless professional paid losers in the UK. They will,occasionally win a fight (like every 30 contests) against another paid loser. This apparently is enough for the board to continue licensing these professional losers on the basis they are ‘trying to win’ and scored a rare win. Meanwhile naive paying punters come to watch their mate in an apparent boxing match, which is basically just an exhibition where one guy doesn’t try. It’s an utter scam.

Date: Saturday 5 October 2024
Location: M&S Bank Arena - Liverpool, UK
TV/Stream: TNT Sports | ESPN+

Start Times
TNT Sports: 7 pm BST | 2 pm ET | 11 am PT (Main Card)

Promoted by: Queensberry Promotions

Fight Card

WBA Featherweight Championship
Nick Ball vs. Ronny Rios

Commonwealth & WBC International Silver & Vacant British Super-Lightweight Championship
Jack Rafferty vs. Henry Turner

6 Round Bantamweight Contest
Jack Turner vs. Gonzalo Corinaldesi

Vacant WBA Intercontinental Championship
Jadier Herrera vs. Oliver Flores

4 Round Super-Welterweight Contest
Walter Fury vs. Dale Arrowsmith

Vacant WBC International Silver Bantamweight Championship
Andrew Cain vs. Lazaro Casseres

Let's see if we get any youtube undercard fights.

Got undercard on now

Another Fury, cousin of Tyson apparently

This Irish fighter is hella boring on the prelims, see why he's one of the first one, just boxed to victory for 8 rounds but nothing much else.

Main card starting now

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑05 Oct 2024, 13:59 Main card starting now

Looking forward to it.

They've announced the signing of Nelsons Birchall s two brothers after his win. Leighton was a great am and his youth final this year v Adam Maca was the fight of the year.

Gallagher fighter on now, Joe Cooper 1 and 0. Good to see Marcus Morrison working with Gallagher. The ring announcer has a pure WWE voice, I think he's the best sounding MC.

Tyson in the building. Relative on the card.

Decent prospect for 18 Cooper.
Andrew "Nova" Cain looking good too....

Big fan of Cain, he's mustard

Obviously "levels" with that win, but "Nova" Cain looked very good indeed.

Calm, ruthless - coming in to his peak...

handsofstone wrote: ↑05 Oct 2024, 14:46 Big fan of Cain, he's mustard

You think he can get a KO win in Tokyo MDP ?

Are there going to be any competitive fights anytime soon ?

Another early ending, will be getting the main event at 9pm at this rate

Proper UK stoppage there

Yeah defo too early, but Herrera still looks class.

Very flat, jerky performance and just when you're thinking, "what's all the fuss about?" he staggers him with a hook then finishes him with a brick to the Solar Power Unit.
Good stuff against a decentish test...