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Re: Is Joe Frazier vs Evander Holyfield The Ultimate Heavyweight Fantasy Matchup?

Posted: 11 Oct 2024, 10:07
by Ezzard
I guess Holy was better with his weaker hand than Joe.

Re: Is Joe Frazier vs Evander Holyfield The Ultimate Heavyweight Fantasy Matchup?

Posted: 11 Oct 2024, 10:35
by Seamus
Evander dropped Mercer, Bowe, Tyson with one shot.

Re: Is Joe Frazier vs Evander Holyfield The Ultimate Heavyweight Fantasy Matchup?

Posted: 11 Oct 2024, 10:44
by Ezzard
Seamus wrote: 11 Oct 2024, 10:35 Evander dropped Mercer, Bowe, Tyson with one shot.
Fair point.

Re: Is Joe Frazier vs Evander Holyfield The Ultimate Heavyweight Fantasy Matchup?

Posted: 11 Oct 2024, 11:11
by keithmoonhangover
Seamus wrote: 11 Oct 2024, 10:35 Evander dropped Mercer, Bowe, Tyson with one shot.
Frazier dropped Muhammad Ali with one shot. I win. :-P

Re: Is Joe Frazier vs Evander Holyfield The Ultimate Heavyweight Fantasy Matchup?

Posted: 11 Oct 2024, 11:19
by Seamus
So did Henry Cooper, Chuck Wepner, and Sonny Banks, so you lose.

Re: Is Joe Frazier vs Evander Holyfield The Ultimate Heavyweight Fantasy Matchup?

Posted: 11 Oct 2024, 11:21
by keithmoonhangover
Seamus wrote: 11 Oct 2024, 11:19 So did Henry Cooper, Chuck Wepner, and Sonny Banks, so you lose.
:lol:

Re: Is Joe Frazier vs Evander Holyfield The Ultimate Heavyweight Fantasy Matchup?

Posted: 11 Oct 2024, 11:54
by Ezzard
keithmoonhangover wrote: 11 Oct 2024, 11:11
Seamus wrote: 11 Oct 2024, 10:35 Evander dropped Mercer, Bowe, Tyson with one shot.
Frazier dropped Muhammad Ali with one shot. I win. :-P
Took a lot of wearing down first. Wasn't like the Cooper left hook.

Frazier should have finished Ali. Always thought he missed a chance there.

Re: Is Joe Frazier vs Evander Holyfield The Ultimate Heavyweight Fantasy Matchup?

Posted: 11 Oct 2024, 14:01
by keithmoonhangover
Ezzard wrote: 11 Oct 2024, 11:54
keithmoonhangover wrote: 11 Oct 2024, 11:11
Seamus wrote: 11 Oct 2024, 10:35 Evander dropped Mercer, Bowe, Tyson with one shot.
Frazier dropped Muhammad Ali with one shot. I win. :-P
Took a lot of wearing down first. Wasn't like the Cooper left hook.

Frazier should have finished Ali. Always thought he missed a chance there.
Easier said than done. It's just my opinion, but I thought Clay carried Cooper and didn't turn it on until the round he predicted he was going to win in.

Re: Is Joe Frazier vs Evander Holyfield The Ultimate Heavyweight Fantasy Matchup?

Posted: 12 Oct 2024, 02:03
by Ezzard
keithmoonhangover wrote: 11 Oct 2024, 14:01
Ezzard wrote: 11 Oct 2024, 11:54
keithmoonhangover wrote: 11 Oct 2024, 11:11

Frazier dropped Muhammad Ali with one shot. I win. :-P
Took a lot of wearing down first. Wasn't like the Cooper left hook.

Frazier should have finished Ali. Always thought he missed a chance there.
Easier said than done. It's just my opinion, but I thought Clay carried Cooper and didn't turn it on until the round he predicted he was going to win in.
He was ready to go. Frazier played it safe.

Maybe. But Cooper made a big name for himself with that shot. Ali seemed to find smaller guys trickier than the big guys.

Re: Is Joe Frazier vs Evander Holyfield The Ultimate Heavyweight Fantasy Matchup?

Posted: 12 Oct 2024, 04:48
by keithmoonhangover
Ezzard wrote: 12 Oct 2024, 02:03
keithmoonhangover wrote: 11 Oct 2024, 14:01
Ezzard wrote: 11 Oct 2024, 11:54

Took a lot of wearing down first. Wasn't like the Cooper left hook.

Frazier should have finished Ali. Always thought he missed a chance there.
Easier said than done. It's just my opinion, but I thought Clay carried Cooper and didn't turn it on until the round he predicted he was going to win in.
He was ready to go. Frazier played it safe.

Maybe. But Cooper made a big name for himself with that shot. Ali seemed to find smaller guys trickier than the big guys.
I'm annoyed with you now Ezzard. That comment means I'm going to have to rewatch the FOTC again for the gagillionth time and I haven't got the damn time to watch it. Damn you! :witzend:

Re: Is Joe Frazier vs Evander Holyfield The Ultimate Heavyweight Fantasy Matchup?

Posted: 12 Oct 2024, 14:26
by SteveO
It's amazing that Ali got up from that shot actually, especially considering it happened in the 15th of the hard fought rounds.

Re: Is Joe Frazier vs Evander Holyfield The Ultimate Heavyweight Fantasy Matchup?

Posted: 13 Oct 2024, 03:46
by DrDuke
Frazier had more power, but it didn't mean, that Holyfield couldn't drop him. It's fair to imagine Holy catching Joe with a good counter punch.

Re: Is Joe Frazier vs Evander Holyfield The Ultimate Heavyweight Fantasy Matchup?

Posted: 13 Oct 2024, 12:47
by Ambling Alp II
Ezzard wrote: 11 Oct 2024, 11:54
keithmoonhangover wrote: 11 Oct 2024, 11:11
Seamus wrote: 11 Oct 2024, 10:35 Evander dropped Mercer, Bowe, Tyson with one shot.
Frazier dropped Muhammad Ali with one shot. I win. :-P
Took a lot of wearing down first. Wasn't like the Cooper left hook.

Frazier should have finished Ali. Always thought he missed a chance there.
Not at all. Ali got up at 3, and there was no "missed chance" at all".
Ali wasn't 'ready to go at all." That is total nonsense.
In fact, Ali won most of the rest of the round.