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I hope Dazn get a channel on sky back. Much preferred watching it on my big tv compared to my iPad.

jameswilson wrote: ↑04 Nov 2024, 11:59 I hope Dazn get a channel on sky back. Much preferred watching it on my big tv compared to my iPad.

Are you unable to watch it via the app on your tv?

jameswilson wrote: ↑04 Nov 2024, 11:59 I hope Dazn get a channel on sky back. Much preferred watching it on my big tv compared to my iPad.

if you have a smart tv, it will have the app. Or if you have any stick or anything with apps. you can download on there

Apart from the hardcore people watched boxing on SKY or TNT as they already paid for it for football etc, now having to pay another 20 quid a month for something you don't know what you're paying for can see many not bothering.

How can you hype PPV's on an app ? On SKY and TNT you have cross sport promotion all day and night hyping them up plus the other programmes, if you're not on DAZN you won't see anything.

If the Saudi's get bored with boxing like they have with Newcastle and stop spending you're left with nothing

tony1234 wrote: ↑04 Nov 2024, 12:17 Apart from the hardcore people watched boxing on SKY or TNT as they already paid for it for football etc, now having to pay another 20 quid a month for something you don't know what you're paying for can see many not bothering.

How can you hype PPV's on an app ? On SKY and TNT you have cross sport promotion all day and night hyping them up plus the other programmes, if you're not on DAZN you won't see anything.

If the Saudi's get bored with boxing like they have with Newcastle and stop spending you're left with nothing

I totally agree. Especially the Saudi conjecture.

maverick23 wrote: ↑04 Nov 2024, 05:32
Apparently the Saudis already have equity in it. Can only see it increasing.

It doesn't look like a deal has been done (yet), but ongoing talks with what would appear to be multiple investors

https://www.reuters.com/markets/deals/s ... 024-10-07/

I remember Frank calling it dead zone, but here we are.

Twinkle Toes wrote: ↑04 Nov 2024, 17:33
It doesn't look like a deal has been done (yet), but ongoing talks with what would appear to be multiple investors

https://www.reuters.com/markets/deals/s ... 024-10-07/

I remember Frank calling it dead zone, but here we are.

DAZN valuing itself at $10-12bn is mental. It loses $1bn+ per year.

944277 wrote: ↑04 Nov 2024, 17:41

Twinkle Toes wrote: ↑04 Nov 2024, 17:33
It doesn't look like a deal has been done (yet), but ongoing talks with what would appear to be multiple investors

https://www.reuters.com/markets/deals/s ... 024-10-07/

I remember Frank calling it dead zone, but here we are.

DAZN valuing itself at $10-12bn is mental. It loses $1bn+ per year.

Amazon/Facebook did it for years!

Frostieballs wrote: ↑04 Nov 2024, 18:05

944277 wrote: ↑04 Nov 2024, 17:41

Twinkle Toes wrote: ↑04 Nov 2024, 17:33
It doesn't look like a deal has been done (yet), but ongoing talks with what would appear to be multiple investors

https://www.reuters.com/markets/deals/s ... 024-10-07/

I remember Frank calling it dead zone, but here we are.

DAZN valuing itself at $10-12bn is mental. It loses $1bn+ per year.

Amazon/Facebook did it for years!

Difference is, there's no way on earth DAZN are actually secretly profitable

Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑04 Nov 2024, 18:39

Frostieballs wrote: ↑04 Nov 2024, 18:05

944277 wrote: ↑04 Nov 2024, 17:41

DAZN valuing itself at $10-12bn is mental. It loses $1bn+ per year.

Amazon/Facebook did it for years!

Difference is, there's no way on earth DAZN are actually secretly profitable

Maybe not

Although Facebook and Amazon weren’t secretly profitable. Just very long strategies for future profits that relied on scale.

With enough investment (petrodollar?) could DAZN buy up enough rights to ensure global sports fans would have to subscribe?

If we look at the UK alone, they would need to take Sky out the game and secure the majority of Premier League games.

This is purely a guess, but it strikes me that the rights holders (Premier League, NFL, NBA, UFC) would be best served streaming over their own platforms.

There has been loads of chatter of a streamed season ticket where you can watch every Premier League game for your team.

I guess you could argue that rights holders need broadcaster support to build profile in certain sports - including boxing.

Boxing also doesn’t have one rights holder as it is far more fragmented. Up step Turki?

Simon Jordan was saying yesterday that Sky are losing customers rapidly and might not even be able to afford Premier League rights next time

handsofstone wrote: ↑05 Nov 2024, 03:23 Simon Jordan was saying yesterday that Sky are losing customers rapidly and might not even be able to afford Premier League rights next time

They don’t look after their existing customers.

Even if you threaten to leave.. they give you half ass offers.

Someone once told me (he worked for sky too)

He said cancel the whole thing. Give your box back etc.

Then come back as a new customer

handsofstone wrote: ↑05 Nov 2024, 03:23 Simon Jordan was saying yesterday that Sky are losing customers rapidly and might not even be able to afford Premier League rights next time

I’m not surprised. People are consuming far less traditional tv each year, there’s been a big rise in fire stick usage and people are struggling financially.

I know people who cancelled their really expensive Sky subs to get a dodgy stick or no longer watch.

People are also a bit more savvy now re: account sharing. I pay £15 a month for Now TV Sky Sports and pay another £6 a month for a boost which allows 2 other people to watch. I share it with 2 mates who partially cover the cost.

I’ll be cancelling TNT sports in the next few months. I’ve had it for years but there isn’t enough to watch (I currently watch the boxing and some of the WWE and UFC) to justify the cost.

The premier league tv rights fees are too high compared to the viewing figures they return/ad revenue they bring in. Hopefully it will mean the rights go for less money.

Twinkle Toes wrote: ↑04 Nov 2024, 17:33

maverick23 wrote: ↑04 Nov 2024, 05:32
Apparently the Saudis already have equity in it. Can only see it increasing.

It doesn't look like a deal has been done (yet), but ongoing talks with what would appear to be multiple investors

https://www.reuters.com/markets/deals/s ... 024-10-07/

I remember Frank calling it dead zone, but here we are.

I’d heard Saudi have been invested for a little while hence their preference for DAZN over other broadcasters whilst they also had the rights to the Saudi football and other things too.

Frostieballs wrote: ↑04 Nov 2024, 19:36
Although Facebook and Amazon weren’t secretly profitable. Just very long strategies for future profits that relied on scale.

With enough investment (petrodollar?) could DAZN buy up enough rights to ensure global sports fans would have to subscribe?

If we look at the UK alone, they would need to take Sky out the game and secure the majority of Premier League games.

Theoretically they could buy up all those rights as they've got infinite money

But is this all really going to serve the purpose of the Saudi PIF, which is to encourage uptake of Saudi as a tourist destination.?

I can't think of a single person who now sees Saudi as a viable holiday spot, based off a few boxing events.

They'd be better off building an absolutely world class indoor Disneyworld, Pixarworld whatever. Things that are genuinely attractive to families and don't require alcohol to lubricate them the way sports events do.

Saudi is a tough sell due to the incredibly restrictive laws and culture.

They should throw a curveball and legalise MDMA. Nothing in the quran about that. Could do massive music festivals... Albeit then the dress code will be an issue. No raver girls in bikini tops.

Actually the alcohol issue in Islam isn't as cut and dried as people think. Strictly speaking, the ban was on khmr (intoxicants) derived from grapes and dates (so, wine and brandy, basically).

Eg https://www.moroccoworldnews.com/2014/1 ... udi-author

So there's been centuries of debate about other forms of alcohol, plus what actually constitutes "intoxicated" for the purposes of the rule. Is it tipsy? Is it obliterated legless?

The current militant brand of Islam is relatively modern and is known as Wahabbism, named for the particular cleric who shaped it. His interpretation of Islam was adopted and funded by the Saudis.

There's nothing to stop the Saudis now selecting and funding a different, more liberal school of Islam and gradually implementing change that way. It would be a hell of a move, but they've done it once before...

tony1234 wrote: ↑04 Nov 2024, 12:17 Apart from the hardcore people watched boxing on SKY or TNT as they already paid for it for football etc, now having to pay another 20 quid a month for something you don't know what you're paying for can see many not bothering.

How can you hype PPV's on an app ? On SKY and TNT you have cross sport promotion all day and night hyping them up plus the other programmes, if you're not on DAZN you won't see anything.

If the Saudi's get bored with boxing like they have with Newcastle and stop spending you're left with nothing

I don’t think they’re bored with Newcastle. They’re just restricted due to the profit & sustainability rules. They were bidding close to £70m on Marc Guehi at the end of August

a force wrote: ↑05 Nov 2024, 05:55

tony1234 wrote: ↑04 Nov 2024, 12:17 Apart from the hardcore people watched boxing on SKY or TNT as they already paid for it for football etc, now having to pay another 20 quid a month for something you don't know what you're paying for can see many not bothering.

How can you hype PPV's on an app ? On SKY and TNT you have cross sport promotion all day and night hyping them up plus the other programmes, if you're not on DAZN you won't see anything.

If the Saudi's get bored with boxing like they have with Newcastle and stop spending you're left with nothing

I don’t think they’re bored with Newcastle. They’re just restricted due to the profit & sustainability rules. They were bidding close to £70m on Marc Guehi at the end of August

Exactly that

Dunno how Chelsea are doing it though

They have been selling hotels and training grounds to sister companies, but I still can't see how the figures add up.

Maybe they have had more leeway because the government was desperate to get Roman out and Saudis are muslims

Coco wrote: ↑05 Nov 2024, 08:23

a force wrote: ↑05 Nov 2024, 05:55

tony1234 wrote: ↑04 Nov 2024, 12:17 Apart from the hardcore people watched boxing on SKY or TNT as they already paid for it for football etc, now having to pay another 20 quid a month for something you don't know what you're paying for can see many not bothering.

How can you hype PPV's on an app ? On SKY and TNT you have cross sport promotion all day and night hyping them up plus the other programmes, if you're not on DAZN you won't see anything.

If the Saudi's get bored with boxing like they have with Newcastle and stop spending you're left with nothing

I don’t think they’re bored with Newcastle. They’re just restricted due to the profit & sustainability rules. They were bidding close to £70m on Marc Guehi at the end of August

Exactly that

Dunno how Chelsea are doing it though

They have been selling hotels and training grounds to sister companies, but I still can't see how the figures add up.

Maybe they have had more leeway because the government was desperate to get Roman out and Saudis are muslims

Nothing to do with any of those things. They are spreading their purchases over the length of the 7 year contract and putting the sales down as immediately income. It roughly works out as this:

£70m signing = £10m per year outgoing
£70m sale = £70m income for this year

That equates to £60m profit on their books for this year.

They also have their players mostly on cheaper contracts with high performance bonuses.

I don't see how it works out in the long run unless they can sell players for a profit and/or all their signings turn out to be a success.

Coco wrote: ↑05 Nov 2024, 08:23

a force wrote: ↑05 Nov 2024, 05:55

tony1234 wrote: ↑04 Nov 2024, 12:17 Apart from the hardcore people watched boxing on SKY or TNT as they already paid for it for football etc, now having to pay another 20 quid a month for something you don't know what you're paying for can see many not bothering.

How can you hype PPV's on an app ? On SKY and TNT you have cross sport promotion all day and night hyping them up plus the other programmes, if you're not on DAZN you won't see anything.

If the Saudi's get bored with boxing like they have with Newcastle and stop spending you're left with nothing

I don’t think they’re bored with Newcastle. They’re just restricted due to the profit & sustainability rules. They were bidding close to £70m on Marc Guehi at the end of August

Exactly that

Dunno how Chelsea are doing it though

They have been selling hotels and training grounds to sister companies, but I still can't see how the figures add up.

Maybe they have had more leeway because the government was desperate to get Roman out and Saudis are muslims

8 year contracts and clever amortisation.

By Frank W

ON SUNDAY EVENING we were finally in position to make our big reveal of our broadcast partnership from April of next year and I really couldn’t be more delighted.

DAZN has more than shown its boxing colours over the last few years and the emphasis and priority it gives to our great sport was a clear and obvious appeal. With this new deal we will have greater scope for innovation, an increased number of dates, huge potential for international growth and the ability to maximise opportunities by collaboration with the other promotional companies featuring under the same umbrella.

With everyone pulling in the same direction, DAZN can become an absolute juggernaut in taking the fight game to new and unparalleled heights over the course of our long-term arrangement.

We have been very clear over recent years of our objective to be the Best of British, to really harness the finest young talents and build an unrivalled group of fighters, particularly in the heavyweight division. It was a mission I feel I can safely say was accomplished and I truly believe we have the best collection of fighters of any promotional company in the world, actually.

It was always a building process and it still is. My mantra and what has served me well over so many years is that you never stop building. You have peaks and troughs, as with any industry, but if your byword is development, you should not encounter a talent shortage.

Currently, thanks to hard work, patience and continuing to lay foundations, we are in a position of strength with so many leading fighters and so many top fights to be made. We will always apply these principles even across expanded territories.

With ourselves, Matchroom, Golden Boy, along with other promotional agreements DAZN has in place, the possibilities are endless and the real benefactors will be fans of the sport. Big things will happen.

It should also be noted that we are not stepping into the unknown. Queensberry, in tandem with DAZN and others, have significantly broadened our horizons over the last year or so via boxing’s starring role in Riyadh Season, where we have all come together and staged probably the greatest shows, certainly of my lifetime.

Now we are officially all one team and I cannot wait until April 1 when the planning stage will turn into a major delivery of the biggest and best fights.

WE MADE ANOTHER successful visit to Birmingham last weekend and, once again, the fans turned out in force at the BP Pulse Arena to further illustrate why the Second City is fast becoming a boxing hotbed.

Unfortunately, this time around, we took an L to Matchroom in the main event when Liam Davies was outpointed by Shabaz Masoud and the IBO world super bantamweight title changed hands.

It was an entertaining, mostly competitive, scrap and congratulations go to Shabaz, who got it right on the night. Liam, I am afraid, didn’t.

Our Telford favourite has done remarkable things over the last couple of years by employing a varied skill set to overcome the styles he was confronted by.

Against Shabaz, for some reason, he simply appeared intent on attempting to blast him out with his power advantage. He made it an easier night for his opponent by being so one-dimensional, showing no head movement and little use of the jab.

Liam is so much better than that, so we have to assume it was an off-night for him.

We have seen this a bit recently with our boys who really pack a punch and can close the show with a single blow. Mark Chamberlain and Tommy Fletcher, like Liam, seemed to run out of ideas and be devoid of a Plan B or C when the Bingo shot proved elusive.

They all need to remember what got them there in the first place. This game isn’t just about knockouts and, as you step it up, not many opponents will readily offer up their chin. It is not rocket science, you have to get the basics right and take it from there.

All that being said, if Liam, Mark and Tommy learn their lesson and get back to the fundamentals, they all still have a very big future and we will give them every opportunity to succeed at the highest level.

I didn’t manage to catch up with her after the fight, so a big well done to Chantelle Cameron, who impressed again in a defence of her WBC Interim world title against Patricia Berghult. In 2025 Chantelle will return to the very top table where she deserves to be.

I must also pay tribute to Ekow Essuman and his opponent Ben Vaughan, who delivered a welterweight banger for us to enjoy. Ekow really is as tough as old boots and was well worth his victory, but I was also mightily impressed with Ben, who had only had 10 fights, not gone beyond six rounds and his last two were over in the first. He showed massive heart and resilience to extend an established champion all the way.

A quick mention also for our new heavyweight, Lewis Williams, who made his professional debut on the night against an opponent in Lamah Griggs who previously had only been stopped once, by Olympic champion Tony Yoka.

Lewis looked athletic, showed excellent movement and, most strikingly, rapid hand speed. On first sighting, he looks like an excellent addition to our heavyweight ranks and I look forward to seeing him back in action.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑05 Nov 2024, 09:30 the real benefactors will be fans of the sport.

Think that's supposed to be beneficiaries isn't it?

johninmanchester wrote: ↑05 Nov 2024, 11:54

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑05 Nov 2024, 09:30 the real benefactors will be fans of the sport.

Think that's supposed to be beneficiaries isn't it?

Yh probably.. well fans are benefactors too aren’t they?

johninmanchester wrote: ↑04 Nov 2024, 17:41

Twinkle Toes wrote: ↑04 Nov 2024, 17:33
It doesn't look like a deal has been done (yet), but ongoing talks with what would appear to be multiple investors

https://www.reuters.com/markets/deals/s ... 024-10-07/

I remember Frank calling it dead zone, but here we are.

DAZN valuing itself at $10-12bn is mental. It loses $1bn+ per year.

How the frig would it lose 1billion a year? I doubt it’s total outgoings get close to 1 billion a year ffs.

jameswilson wrote: ↑05 Nov 2024, 14:51

johninmanchester wrote: ↑04 Nov 2024, 17:41

Twinkle Toes wrote: ↑04 Nov 2024, 17:33
It doesn't look like a deal has been done (yet), but ongoing talks with what would appear to be multiple investors

https://www.reuters.com/markets/deals/s ... 024-10-07/

I remember Frank calling it dead zone, but here we are.

DAZN valuing itself at $10-12bn is mental. It loses $1bn+ per year.

How the frig would it lose 1billion a year? I doubt it’s total outgoings get close to 1 billion a year ffs.

DAZN is a global business. People tend to forget that. They have domestic football rights in several big markets (like in Italy they have the Seria A rights). I’d imagine their spend on boxing is dwarfed by their spend on football.

a force wrote: ↑05 Nov 2024, 05:55

tony1234 wrote: ↑04 Nov 2024, 12:17 Apart from the hardcore people watched boxing on SKY or TNT as they already paid for it for football etc, now having to pay another 20 quid a month for something you don't know what you're paying for can see many not bothering.

How can you hype PPV's on an app ? On SKY and TNT you have cross sport promotion all day and night hyping them up plus the other programmes, if you're not on DAZN you won't see anything.

If the Saudi's get bored with boxing like they have with Newcastle and stop spending you're left with nothing

I don’t think they’re bored with Newcastle. They’re just restricted due to the profit & sustainability rules. They were bidding close to £70m on Marc Guehi at the end of August

Bidding and buying are 2 separate things, they haven't spent big like everybody predicted and for whatever reason a mid table PL team are no use to them hence the lack of activity.
It may be the same with boxing, Turki makes them put it all on DAZN and nobody bothers to pay for a subscription and without the publicity that SKY and TNT give thats a possibility.
If the only way to watch boxing here is on DAZN bar a few shows on C5 who is going to bother except the hardcore ?
The game changer would be if Turki made the price for DAZN free and just made the PPVs for sale