Re: Jake Paul vs. Carl Froch - Who wins?
Posted: 17 Nov 2024, 19:57
This is just talk. It won't happen.
No he's not , he is going to be very capable , his conditioning will be there , and it would be a ex world champ in good condition absolutly belting a NOVICE BOXER and why because he says the novice boxer handpicks his opponents and wants to avenge the good name of boxing , , WHO'S BEING THE BULLY THERE , and include Bellow in that , personally think he would take the loss , take the 20 mill (if offered ) and cry robbery , otherwise , why keep going on trying to generate a fight thats not gonna happenFrostieballs wrote: ↑17 Nov 2024, 20:39 It’s defo not gonna happen, but if it did Froch wouldn’t fall over for $20m. He’s too proud.
He would smash Paul into next week.
Tyson is every bit his 58 years - if not more. He’s been in and out of hospital and been on mushrooms and weed for years.
Froch is a very young 48 and was taking part in iron man’s etc not long back I believe.
There are people in the 45-50 year age group running marathons in three hours.
Froch is not going to be stood there, rooted to the spot and unable to get his shots of is he?
Exactly!coneye wrote: ↑17 Nov 2024, 19:24 Ok , put this rubbish to bed ,, Fray and Coco hit nail on head . JP would win , WHY , because Froch would be signing a contract , probably with a non disclosure added , IF HE DID'NT DO HAS HE WAS PAID lose HE WOULD'NT GET PAID quite simple really is'nt it , Why would he do it simple DOLLARS probably 20-30 million of them .
Now lets get to the nitty gritty , Jake Paul is a local area boxer at best , jeez Tyson could see the openings , my missis could see them , and like she sad , Tysons that slow she could off left her armchair flew to Saudi jumped in and connected before Tyson did ,, but he's a showman .
With Jake Paul you get what you pay for entertainment , he's not a proper profesional fighter , but lets have it right for a guy who took it up at a late age look at how well he's done, the money he's made, and the money he's allowed others to make, including Tommy Fury and Tyson , The hate well he thrives on that, it pays his bills and makes him rich , but its all ENTERTAINMENT , I mean c'mon does anyone really believe him, or believe that he really thinks he can beat Canelo , or he really is the best , stop shaking your heads getting angry at the guy and just think how clever he is he makes more interest on his money in a day than most make in a year .
Now when you want to talk bullshit , you have to talk Froch and Bellow
Why ,, because JP well he sprouts shite , gives people a big payday but also does at the end of it , pay them well and shows them respect , has he did Tyson , ,
why though i don't know , i bet Teddy Atlas neice the woman he raped , and his ex wife , were cheering for JP .
Anyway he's a ciRcus act , but yet Bellow FLYS over to the states , to try shame him . Froch gets hits on his u tube channel by shaming him .
Both have called him a coward , for fighting old men , Both have said he's not a boxer he's only had one fight and lost that to a novice (fury ) , Both have said they would fight him
So who's who and who's what in the camp , on the one hand you have a non boxer , one fight one loss , a few exhibitions , taking on an old ex world champ, and paying him 20 mill , plus taking it easy when said old man got tired , and you have 2 ex world champs both still in good condition , calling him a bully and offering to fight him , because they want part of the JP money . So realisticly who's the bully , the novice for paying an old man a fortune to be part of his circus ,and taking it easy on him.
OR the 2 ex world champs , who say they want to KO the novice and take some of his money for doing it .
Now you can't have it both ways , if he's a novice ex world champs in GOOD CONDITION will KO him
But we both know , that IF and its i suppose a big IF , they are lucky enough to secure a spot in the circus ring with the head clown , it will be scripted and they will do HAS THERE TOLD, OR NOT GET PAID ,
I know that , the public know that , and whats more THEY KNOW THAT . So who in fact are the good clown and the bad clowns , who are the bullies , .
Bellow and Froch are going to do one thing or the other if they got the fight there clamoring for , they will become part of the circus , follow the script and get well paid , Froch can go buy more houses in Nottingham , and Bellow can finally retire to blackpool with his nan and spend the rest of his days eating ice cream on the foreshore
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They could both go the other way , say my prides worth more than money , refuse the script on the night and KO a NOVICE CLOWN , then ask yourself WHO'S THE BULLY .
Myself i don't like the circus much , never did have much of a sence of humor , so just like at the circus when i've took my grandkids , i watch the other acts trapeze ect , and yawn at the clowns . I feel the same with this rubbish , it was on for free so i watched and enjoyed , the Barrios fight and even though i hate to admit it i actually enjoyed the womens fight , but JP and Tyson , Naaw i just glance over watching tit bits while i made me and the missis a cuppa and a sandwich .
BUT I NEVER HAD TO PAY FOR IT if i did i'd would off gone for a drive to the pub instead .. Whats more if Bellow OR fRCH GOT THE NEXT GIG , i would'nt watch that either unless it had a good undercard and was for free , whats more IF i was JP i would insist Bellow OR fROCH COME IN AND JOIN THE CIRCUS PROPER , I'D MAKE THEM DO THERE RING WALK WITH BIG BOOTS AND A BIG RED CLOWN NOSE ON ,, gonna join the circus may has well do it proper
Don't we all, but also Froch isn't a fan of the misfits stuff (without jeopardising the gravy train of course) and I think he would love nothing more than flattening Paul at Wembley in front of 80,000 people. But he would be cool about it afterwards, probably never mention it again.
Of course he would, he wrote the script for Tyson. He can write the script for Froch too.
stevec@france wrote: ↑17 Nov 2024, 16:32 48 is too far gone to turn back the clock
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Against a top 10 fighter for sure , against a virtual novice , , ' slash entertainer , No
It’s Jake Paul mate. A roided up plodder who has only ever fought once legitimate boxers and lost.HomicideHenry wrote: ↑18 Nov 2024, 01:08 Paul wins.
Name me a single example of a man who was gone for more than a decade without any tune ups nearly 50 years old jumping up 2 weight classes being able to beat even a solid journeyman? I'll wait.
This is all nostalgia talking from fans. There is a reason why we do not see these guys make come backs in their late 40s and 50s. I don't like the stunt the kid pulled any more than anyone else, but Froch would get embarrassed more times than not.
Jesus Christ Almighty God bless you all
I mean even Foreman was out for 10 years, but was still a decent 38 years old when he returned.HomicideHenry wrote: ↑18 Nov 2024, 01:08 Paul wins.
Name me a single example of a man who was gone for more than a decade without any tune ups nearly 50 years old jumping up 2 weight classes being able to beat even a solid journeyman? I'll wait.
This is all nostalgia talking from fans. There is a reason why we do not see these guys make come backs in their late 40s and 50s. I don't like the stunt the kid pulled any more than anyone else, but Froch would get embarrassed more times than not.
Jesus Christ Almighty God bless you all
Yes he would
How old was Henry Maske when he should have been awarded a version of the WBA belt after a 10 year lay off. Decisively beat a guy, who beat him decisively 10 years previously who was a world champion at the time.
Good idea!!golden_labrador wrote: ↑18 Nov 2024, 06:40 who cares? could this be in a new Boxrec category called Celebrity Boxing instead of here?
He was 43, fighting another 43 year old in his weight class. Impressive win though.stujones wrote: ↑18 Nov 2024, 06:18How old was Henry Maske when he should have been awarded a version of the WBA belt after a 10 year lay off. Decisively beat a guy, who beat him decisively 10 years previously who was a world champion at the time.
This is dead right , someone like Froch who has kept himself in shape even more so , I would bet money Froch would still be fitter than most guys half his age ,Grilling Machine wrote: ↑17 Nov 2024, 23:43
Point 2: there's a significant difference between 48 and 58. Some people drop off as much in that period as from their early 30s to late 40s.
I don't know how wealthy Froch is but an extra 20m could go a long way.handsofstone wrote: ↑18 Nov 2024, 06:55You do know Carl Froch eh? Far too much pride to sell himself to the likes of Jake Paul, he'll go out to do serious damage
Until Froch was 58!jamesmcdonnell wrote:
However, I doubt very much Paul would take a risk of a liveish opponent.
I think there would be a lot of individual differences when it is a 48 year old. Obviously we have seen the likes of Bernard Hopkins fight at genuine world level at that age, but then we have also seen fighters shuffling around at a far younger age. Sometines, it is simple genetics - whilst whether they have been a clean liver etc plays a part, it is not a given.jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑18 Nov 2024, 08:59 Tyson looked good in terms of his musculature, but his cardio has been shot for decades.
Unlike Tyson, Froch hasn't been blazing industrial quantities of weed for 3 decades, and I'd imagine he is pretty much as fit as Jake Paul.
Provided his reflexes were not completely shot, I'd favour Froch to batter Paul, whose technique is pretty much club fighter level.
However, I doubt very much Paul would take a risk of a liveish opponent.