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a force wrote: ↑02 Dec 2024, 06:27 You’ve only to look at the group of fighters that first went out to train at MTK Marbella. I think most of them had links to drugs or they’d had their houses shot at.

Coco wrote: ↑02 Dec 2024, 18:31 I think lots of amateur boxing clubs kept folk on the straight and narrow, that is my experience.
The steroid body building gyms, kick boxing and MMA too tended to more dodgy.
Even boxing gyms with owners who were at it a bit kept their gyms right.

mickey1975 wrote: ↑03 Dec 2024, 03:00

Coco wrote: ↑02 Dec 2024, 18:31 I think lots of amateur boxing clubs kept folk on the straight and narrow, that is my experience.
The steroid body building gyms, kick boxing and MMA too tended to more dodgy.
Even boxing gyms with owners who were at it a bit kept their gyms right.

That sounds more like what I've seen. The white collar boys are pretty rife as well.

nobleart1978 wrote: ↑03 Dec 2024, 14:07 owner of the gym I went to had a lucrative "grow" in the adjoining building, yet the gym genuinely helped a lot of decent kids gain confidence and was a good place for them to meet other kids.
Funny old world...

Cask wrote: ↑03 Dec 2024, 19:13

nobleart1978 wrote: ↑03 Dec 2024, 14:07 owner of the gym I went to had a lucrative "grow" in the adjoining building, yet the gym genuinely helped a lot of decent kids gain confidence and was a good place for them to meet other kids.
Funny old world...

Was it weed? That's forgivable because alcohol is more harmful, unfortunately is usually means you have to have contacts into dodgier stuff since you can't shift it legally. if he's selling hard drugs to fund the gym then it's good he keeps kids off the streets in his gym because they are what get more dangerous when that stuff is proliferated around. Keeping kids off the streets with the money you make proliferating things that make the streets and the people in them more desperate and dangerous is a bit of a conflict of interest

Too many gyms doing that now, back in the days youd be put out of the area at best.

The grassroots gyms just can't afford to stay open on the couple of quid a week they would charge , the ran everything mostly off their own cost, like Dockers ABC did, run by an ex olympian

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑04 Dec 2024, 12:28

Cask wrote: ↑03 Dec 2024, 19:13

nobleart1978 wrote: ↑03 Dec 2024, 14:07 owner of the gym I went to had a lucrative "grow" in the adjoining building, yet the gym genuinely helped a lot of decent kids gain confidence and was a good place for them to meet other kids.
Funny old world...

Was it weed? That's forgivable because alcohol is more harmful, unfortunately is usually means you have to have contacts into dodgier stuff since you can't shift it legally. if he's selling hard drugs to fund the gym then it's good he keeps kids off the streets in his gym because they are what get more dangerous when that stuff is proliferated around. Keeping kids off the streets with the money you make proliferating things that make the streets and the people in them more desperate and dangerous is a bit of a conflict of interest

Too many gyms doing that now, back in the days youd be put out of the area at best.

The grassroots gyms just can't afford to stay open on the couple of quid a week they would charge , the ran everything mostly off their own cost, like Dockers ABC did, run by an ex olympian

You don't need to associate with particularly dodgy people to knock out a bit of weed. It's when you start dealing with coke dealers etc, it gets a bit more gnarly.

Cask wrote: ↑04 Dec 2024, 16:57

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑04 Dec 2024, 12:28

Cask wrote: ↑03 Dec 2024, 19:13

Was it weed? That's forgivable because alcohol is more harmful, unfortunately is usually means you have to have contacts into dodgier stuff since you can't shift it legally. if he's selling hard drugs to fund the gym then it's good he keeps kids off the streets in his gym because they are what get more dangerous when that stuff is proliferated around. Keeping kids off the streets with the money you make proliferating things that make the streets and the people in them more desperate and dangerous is a bit of a conflict of interest

Too many gyms doing that now, back in the days youd be put out of the area at best.

The grassroots gyms just can't afford to stay open on the couple of quid a week they would charge , the ran everything mostly off their own cost, like Dockers ABC did, run by an ex olympian

You don't need to associate with particularly dodgy people to knock out a bit of weed. It's when you start dealing with coke dealers etc, it gets a bit more gnarly.

True, further back in places Belfast and the likes though you had to be careful because "drug dealer" is a broad term, and a fella was shot for having a weed farm once, because he was "identified as a drug dealer"

johninmanchester wrote: ↑01 Dec 2024, 14:57

SeanBrennan wrote: ↑01 Dec 2024, 08:57 Boxing and drug crime are pretty much standard. Not dragging people's past up but boxing coaches/managers/advisers/promoters in UK who have been involved in drugs:

- Pat Barrett
- Peter Fury
- The Sims
- The Bowers
- John Dillon
- MTK crew
- Mark Quinn
- Bradley Welsh

And kickboxing has loads more as there is zero money in it.

I read a long academic paper on this years ago.

The conclusion was that combat sports recruit from exactly the same socio-economic pools that crime does

And that combat sports also attract people with a high degree of risk tolerance and a high degree of desperation /disregard for their own well being.

So basically a pool of poor but game risk-takers will produce fighters, gangsters and characters with a foot in both camps.

A London fighter named Lee Murray was one of the main subjects of the study. Currently banged up for a massive movie-level armed robbery.

mickey1975 wrote: ↑06 Dec 2024, 18:50 Former Lee Beard protege Adrian Gonzalez was a big player recently done. Brett Flournoy murdered, Bobby Rimmer Jr, former amateur stand out Carl Wall was huge in the game. Loads more, some at a very high level connected to famous gyms and fighters.

Cask wrote: ↑07 Dec 2024, 16:03 Speaking of Gonzalez' , was it ever discovered what the actual motive for Alejandro Gonzalez Jr, a Frampton opponent no less, and his Grandfather found hogtied and murdered in the back of a van other than "some cartel drug thing"

Your father and son murdered, side by side, hogtied and naked. Yeah sign me right up to that life

mickey1975 wrote: ↑07 Dec 2024, 16:18

Cask wrote: ↑07 Dec 2024, 16:03 Speaking of Gonzalez' , was it ever discovered what the actual motive for Alejandro Gonzalez Jr, a Frampton opponent no less, and his Grandfather found hogtied and murdered in the back of a van other than "some cartel drug thing"

Your father and son murdered, side by side, hogtied and naked. Yeah sign me right up to that life

I'm surprised you haven't linked it the the Kinihan mob for having the cheek to box Frampton.

Cask wrote: ↑07 Dec 2024, 17:46

mickey1975 wrote: ↑07 Dec 2024, 16:18

Cask wrote: ↑07 Dec 2024, 16:03 Speaking of Gonzalez' , was it ever discovered what the actual motive for Alejandro Gonzalez Jr, a Frampton opponent no less, and his Grandfather found hogtied and murdered in the back of a van other than "some cartel drug thing"

Your father and son murdered, side by side, hogtied and naked. Yeah sign me right up to that life

I'm surprised you haven't linked it the the Kinihan mob for having the cheek to box Frampton.

He wasn't with them then, nice try though Mickey, showing your knowledge as usual

I do remember Carl's little heart breaking when Wayne McCullough said "Excuses Excuses" on twitter when Frampton blamed the bad performance on the canvas before that fight Wayne was Carl's inspiration, Carls favourite fighter, Carls role model

Not sure if he mentioned McCulloughs name again after that, does he mention him in his book at least? Ghostwritten by former MTK Chief Strategy Officer/ Propagandist Paul D Gibson, available in all fine book stores everywhere I'm sure (yes, seriously)

mickey1975 wrote: ↑07 Dec 2024, 18:30

Cask wrote: ↑07 Dec 2024, 17:46

mickey1975 wrote: ↑07 Dec 2024, 16:18
I'm surprised you haven't linked it the the Kinihan mob for having the cheek to box Frampton.

He wasn't with them then, nice try though Mickey, showing your knowledge as usual

I do remember Carl's little heart breaking when Wayne McCullough said "Excuses Excuses" on twitter when Frampton blamed the bad performance on the canvas before that fight Wayne was Carl's inspiration, Carls favourite fighter, Carls role model

Not sure if he mentioned McCulloughs name again after that, does he mention him in his book at least? Ghostwritten by former MTK Chief Strategy Officer/ Propagandist Paul D Gibson, available in all fine book stores everywhere I'm sure (yes, seriously)

I was having a joke. I don't quite get what you're trying to achieve going on about the Kinihan lot all of the time.

Coco wrote: ↑07 Dec 2024, 19:38 After a few beers he loves an Irish gangster rant

Cask wrote: ↑07 Dec 2024, 23:31

Coco wrote: ↑07 Dec 2024, 19:38 After a few beers he loves an Irish gangster rant

Whereas you just love a few beers with them over there in Dubai eh Coco. It's not a gangster rant, it's holding Carl Frampton, who's career I know a lot more about than you guys I can assure you, to account, he says people like his honest punditry, he's an honest guy, he's a mental health advocate ( ) Called for integrated schools AND obviously approved of cross community integrated Drug Cartels too

I don't watch it much boxing live any more that's true,so my posts have been all recently been just about blatant corruption and gangsterism, which is a relevant and ever growing concern with boxing, but I've went for Saudi Arabia more than Kinahan cuz he's a busted flush, but Frampton will never forget he was a reward to Jamie Moore for being shot while standing beside a well known heroin dealer in Daniel Kinahan as long as I post about the truth (Dad recommended him to me aye )

Saudi Arabian national anthems now , bought and PAID for, that's the kind of trade British Patriots like Thatcher wanted, where nothing British is actually owned by anybody British, while the Union Flag was a sacred cloth etc.

Utter madness, beyond parody hypocrisy