Re: Saudi/TKO to launch new league for up and coming boxers
Posted: 05 Mar 2025, 15:12
This will become the be all and end all of high level pro boxing, or at least that will be the plan. With Turki's money it is likely to succeed. The Saudis are on a different level to anybody who has been involved before. The existing sanctioning bodies and belts will (these lot hope, whatever they may claim at first) be killed off. Weight divisions will likely be reduced too.Old bones Ian wrote: ↑05 Mar 2025, 15:51 So a boxer would sign up to exclusively box in this league? No local fights, no titles , no local support.
How long they signed up for? If it's a season fair enough but if they want to sign them to long term deals and then they have to deliver 5-10 fights in developing a boxer over the couple of years.
These rising stars are just that in developing stage, not be rolled out 2-3 times a year as if they are a star.
I don't think so. I think this will be to boxing what the UFC is to MMA, I.e. the pinnacle and what everybody strives for.
I can't see all those top contenders being allowed to walk away from contracts to sign up for this, it'll have to be those boxers ranked below the top 20 who are free agents with a few former names thrown inJimmy2025 wrote: ↑05 Mar 2025, 16:07This will become the be all and end all of high level pro boxing, or at least that will be the plan. With Turki's money it is likely to succeed. The Saudis are on a different level to anybody who has been involved before. The existing sanctioning bodies and belts will (these lot hope, whatever they may claim at first) be killed off. Weight divisions will likely be reduced too.Old bones Ian wrote: ↑05 Mar 2025, 15:51 So a boxer would sign up to exclusively box in this league? No local fights, no titles , no local support.
How long they signed up for? If it's a season fair enough but if they want to sign them to long term deals and then they have to deliver 5-10 fights in developing a boxer over the couple of years.
These rising stars are just that in developing stage, not be rolled out 2-3 times a year as if they are a star.
Similar to this I would expect:-
"A UFC contract is a legally binding agreement between a fighter and the UFC that outlines the terms of their fights, including their pay per fight, the number of fights they are obliged to do, weight class, potential bonuses, and promotional obligations, with pay tiers typically based on the fighter's experience and popularity, with top stars earning significantly more than newcomers; essentially, the more successful a fighter is, the better their contract terms will be.
Key points about UFC contracts:
Tiered system:
Fighters are usually placed in different pay tiers based on their record and fame, with lower tiers offering smaller payouts for new fighters and higher tiers for established champions.
Base pay:
Fighters receive a base salary for each fight, which is the primary source of income.
Performance bonuses:
Additional bonuses can be earned based on factors like "Fight of the Night," "Knockout of the Night," or "Submission of the Night".
Fight clauses:
Contracts often include clauses specifying the number of fights a fighter is obliged to do within a certain timeframe.
Promotional obligations:
Fighters may have to fulfill promotional duties like media appearances and interviews as part of their contract.
Negotiation process:
The negotiation of UFC contracts can be complex, with fighters and their representatives attempting to secure the best possible terms. "
UFC fighters generally build their support in smaller/feeder promotions (like small hall boxing) before being signed to UFC if they are good enough.
It's sink or swim and there's not much opportunity to hang around for years if you are losing or boring.
It won't take more than two or three years to sew things up. It's not like this is some bloke starting from scratch in his bedroom. It's Dana White with full corporate backing plus the money of the people who have literally bought boxing in the last two years.Old bones Ian wrote: ↑05 Mar 2025, 16:46I can't see all those top contenders being allowed to walk away from contracts to sign up for this, it'll have to be those boxers ranked below the top 20 who are free agents with a few former names thrown inJimmy2025 wrote: ↑05 Mar 2025, 16:07This will become the be all and end all of high level pro boxing, or at least that will be the plan. With Turki's money it is likely to succeed. The Saudis are on a different level to anybody who has been involved before. The existing sanctioning bodies and belts will (these lot hope, whatever they may claim at first) be killed off. Weight divisions will likely be reduced too.Old bones Ian wrote: ↑05 Mar 2025, 15:51 So a boxer would sign up to exclusively box in this league? No local fights, no titles , no local support.
How long they signed up for? If it's a season fair enough but if they want to sign them to long term deals and then they have to deliver 5-10 fights in developing a boxer over the couple of years.
These rising stars are just that in developing stage, not be rolled out 2-3 times a year as if they are a star.
Similar to this I would expect:-
"A UFC contract is a legally binding agreement between a fighter and the UFC that outlines the terms of their fights, including their pay per fight, the number of fights they are obliged to do, weight class, potential bonuses, and promotional obligations, with pay tiers typically based on the fighter's experience and popularity, with top stars earning significantly more than newcomers; essentially, the more successful a fighter is, the better their contract terms will be.
Key points about UFC contracts:
Tiered system:
Fighters are usually placed in different pay tiers based on their record and fame, with lower tiers offering smaller payouts for new fighters and higher tiers for established champions.
Base pay:
Fighters receive a base salary for each fight, which is the primary source of income.
Performance bonuses:
Additional bonuses can be earned based on factors like "Fight of the Night," "Knockout of the Night," or "Submission of the Night".
Fight clauses:
Contracts often include clauses specifying the number of fights a fighter is obliged to do within a certain timeframe.
Promotional obligations:
Fighters may have to fulfill promotional duties like media appearances and interviews as part of their contract.
Negotiation process:
The negotiation of UFC contracts can be complex, with fighters and their representatives attempting to secure the best possible terms. "
UFC fighters generally build their support in smaller/feeder promotions (like small hall boxing) before being signed to UFC if they are good enough.
It's sink or swim and there's not much opportunity to hang around for years if you are losing or boring.
I understand Dana is no mug , and time will tell . But ive seen a few of these "game changer" things over the years and it's not quite worked out.Jimmy2025 wrote: ↑05 Mar 2025, 16:54It won't take more than two or three years to sew things up. It's not like this is some bloke starting from scratch in his bedroom. It's Dana White with full corporate backing plus the money of the people who have literally bought boxing in the last two years.Old bones Ian wrote: ↑05 Mar 2025, 16:46I can't see all those top contenders being allowed to walk away from contracts to sign up for this, it'll have to be those boxers ranked below the top 20 who are free agents with a few former names thrown inJimmy2025 wrote: ↑05 Mar 2025, 16:07
This will become the be all and end all of high level pro boxing, or at least that will be the plan. With Turki's money it is likely to succeed. The Saudis are on a different level to anybody who has been involved before. The existing sanctioning bodies and belts will (these lot hope, whatever they may claim at first) be killed off. Weight divisions will likely be reduced too.
Similar to this I would expect:-
"A UFC contract is a legally binding agreement between a fighter and the UFC that outlines the terms of their fights, including their pay per fight, the number of fights they are obliged to do, weight class, potential bonuses, and promotional obligations, with pay tiers typically based on the fighter's experience and popularity, with top stars earning significantly more than newcomers; essentially, the more successful a fighter is, the better their contract terms will be.
Key points about UFC contracts:
Tiered system:
Fighters are usually placed in different pay tiers based on their record and fame, with lower tiers offering smaller payouts for new fighters and higher tiers for established champions.
Base pay:
Fighters receive a base salary for each fight, which is the primary source of income.
Performance bonuses:
Additional bonuses can be earned based on factors like "Fight of the Night," "Knockout of the Night," or "Submission of the Night".
Fight clauses:
Contracts often include clauses specifying the number of fights a fighter is obliged to do within a certain timeframe.
Promotional obligations:
Fighters may have to fulfill promotional duties like media appearances and interviews as part of their contract.
Negotiation process:
The negotiation of UFC contracts can be complex, with fighters and their representatives attempting to secure the best possible terms. "
UFC fighters generally build their support in smaller/feeder promotions (like small hall boxing) before being signed to UFC if they are good enough.
It's sink or swim and there's not much opportunity to hang around for years if you are losing or boring.
Their signings will become THE stars. Why wouldn't they if the existing promotional outfits (who have been feeding off Turki) get their food supply removed?
Dana isn't a second place or also ran type of man.
I know what you mean, but we're not that much better if we don't ignore the Iraq war, arming Israel to bomb civilians, etc etc. Let's not get started on America either. we're all in the gutter, as that guy once wrote. I'd never go to SA or Dubai in any case and it's messed up what they do there regarding lots of stuff - I don't think any better of that regime for helping boxing, but I have enjoyed the boxing.SeanBrennan wrote: ↑09 Jan 2025, 20:11 we will lose the sport to this Saudi takeover, he has bought part of Dazn and will soon own it all and it will become a pugilistic cheerleader for a feudal blood regime. It is the death knell of the sport.
Even if he gets bought out I don't doubt he sticks around as an advisor like he assumes. Nobody ever seems to go away in the Boxing business. Fighters do maybe, but Promoters, Trainers, Managers, Referees, Judges. Those guys are there for decades.johninmanchester wrote: ↑06 Mar 2025, 14:05 Hearn just did an IFL interview where he spent half of it talking about retiring, selling the company or floating it in an IPO.
He also said at another point that if the company was bought, he'd assume he'd be kept around as an advisor.
This to me all points to a man positioning for a max price sale to an interested party.
Maybe this is why he was so chummy with Ben Shambles lately, maybe they're all getting bought out and it's the camaraderie of dead men walking.
The UFC never had Bottomless Oil Money behind it, provided by an I Don't Give A Fucck Saudi Sheikhgregregegg wrote: ↑06 Mar 2025, 17:27 The fight league modal only really works if you have sooo many of the best guys that it’s established that your championship is the real one.
I don’t really see how this will be achievable without over paying (and the entire sucsess on ufcs league system is under paying).
Hearn will be alright.johninmanchester wrote: ↑06 Mar 2025, 14:05 Hearn just did an IFL interview where he spent half of it talking about retiring, selling the company or floating it in an IPO.
He also said at another point that if the company was bought, he'd assume he'd be kept around as an advisor.
This to me all points to a man positioning for a max price sale to an interested party.
Maybe this is why he was so chummy with Ben Shambles lately, maybe they're all getting bought out and it's the camaraderie of dead men walking.
Monopolies are never good for the individual. Turki seems to want that and he holds the money to do it. And there is always a motive behind all that money, in his case it will be the agenda of his paymasters not necessarily him.coneye wrote: ↑06 Mar 2025, 18:33 Does anyone really believe it will all end up great for boxing , IF they manage to take over the boxing world , IF they get rid of other promoters , and IF they can get rid of all the alphabet organizations , what then ,,,, Well i don't think theres any doubt whatsover , Ring mag ratings will be the bible , and who is in them ratings , and who are the champs , will all depend on one mans say , so if your not in his good books YOUR OUT