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coneye wrote: ↑18 Jan 2025, 17:45 Jeff Fenech is a prime example of weight dropping benefits , , I watched this guy spar welterweights and was too strong , his success did'nt lay in his great chin , or great boxing ability , it lay in his strenght , he was able to really boil down the weight yet retain his strenght and stamina , heard people say he got stronger has the fights went on , he did'nt but he certainly never got weaker , uncanny ability to drop heaps of weight , retain his strenght and still be going the same pace in rnd 1 -8-10 ,, But has he got older and stuggled to do it , what happenned , he got stopped a couple of times , he met others boiling the weight off , to get what he come up to .

Whats the answer , i don't know maybee stop catchweight fights , but that does'nt fix it does it , it explains now how dieticens and the like are coming into the game and influenceing ,

JamesPhilips wrote: ↑18 Jan 2025, 23:45

coneye wrote: ↑18 Jan 2025, 17:45 Jeff Fenech is a prime example of weight dropping benefits , , I watched this guy spar welterweights and was too strong , his success did'nt lay in his great chin , or great boxing ability , it lay in his strenght , he was able to really boil down the weight yet retain his strenght and stamina , heard people say he got stronger has the fights went on , he did'nt but he certainly never got weaker , uncanny ability to drop heaps of weight , retain his strenght and still be going the same pace in rnd 1 -8-10 ,, But has he got older and stuggled to do it , what happenned , he got stopped a couple of times , he met others boiling the weight off , to get what he come up to .

Whats the answer , i don't know maybee stop catchweight fights , but that does'nt fix it does it , it explains now how dieticens and the like are coming into the game and influenceing ,

Really? I never had Jeff Fenech as a weight bully. He never looked that big at the weight

coneye wrote: ↑19 Jan 2025, 05:25

JamesPhilips wrote: ↑18 Jan 2025, 23:45

coneye wrote: ↑18 Jan 2025, 17:45 Jeff Fenech is a prime example of weight dropping benefits , , I watched this guy spar welterweights and was too strong , his success did'nt lay in his great chin , or great boxing ability , it lay in his strenght , he was able to really boil down the weight yet retain his strenght and stamina , heard people say he got stronger has the fights went on , he did'nt but he certainly never got weaker , uncanny ability to drop heaps of weight , retain his strenght and still be going the same pace in rnd 1 -8-10 ,, But has he got older and stuggled to do it , what happenned , he got stopped a couple of times , he met others boiling the weight off , to get what he come up to .

Whats the answer , i don't know maybee stop catchweight fights , but that does'nt fix it does it , it explains now how dieticens and the like are coming into the game and influenceing ,

Really? I never had Jeff Fenech as a weight bully. He never looked that big at the weight

Would'nt say Jeff was a weight bully has persay , but by christ he was strong at his weight , , watched him spar a few times and was amazed at how strong he was , he would just physicly bully guys 2 -3 divisions heavier than him , I never really seen great boxing talent in him , but for example he was featherweight , i watched him spar an Aussie jnr welter weight champ , he just walked in double cover and manhandled the guy , then done it to a top ameteur welter weight . . He really could boil down and bully people never getting tired ,, but like i said , when he jumped up in weight and met guys coming down he got stopped , course it took speciel talent to do it , Would'nt say he was a weight bully just knew his strenghts and played to them , and thats why he has champon of the world belts and we don't

JackGlad wrote: ↑19 Jan 2025, 17:29 I can kind of answer this at least partly

1. The board allow it as they can’t make a rule against it without banning the IBF

olij999 wrote: ↑20 Jan 2025, 07:53 This is a really difficult area.

Historically, day-before weigh-ins for championship fights were introduced because in some cases fighters had come to the ring in a terrible state after dehydrating to make weight. But over time, that seems to have led fighters to take greater risks to get down to lower weights, thinking that they can rehydrate after the weigh in. So that has led to more intervention being needed, i.e. two check weighs for championship fights, where someone on an Area Council, usually a volunteer taking time out of their working day, has to go to weigh a fighter at certain points, the latter being three days before the fight. See 22.1(b), (c), 23.1 and 23.5 at https://bbbofc.com/build/documents/Rule ... s_2024.pdf if of interest.

If you have a rehydration clause, you do get the potential risk that the OP highlights. But if you don't have a rehydration clause, you get the risk of one fighter significantly outweighing the other, e.g. as in Gatti v Gamache, with the terrible outcome that happened there. So on rehydration clauses, I can't see what the right answer could be, either way, for any governing body on that issue.

One answer to all of these points is that it is down to fighters to make weight safely - if that were done, rehydration would be an academic issue. Fighters and trainers are warned of the risks of dehydration at their licence application meeting, told of the importance of gradual weight reduction with appropriate nutrition, etc etc, and ultimately it is for them to decide if the fighter can make the limit safely. But I appreciate we live in the real world, and that fighters can be tempted to take unsafe steps, aim for one division lower, and so on.

Is there a title at stake in the Benn v Eubank match? If there is, there should be check weighs as well.

olij999 wrote: ↑20 Jan 2025, 07:53 This is a really difficult area.

Historically, day-before weigh-ins for championship fights were introduced because in some cases fighters had come to the ring in a terrible state after dehydrating to make weight. But over time, that seems to have led fighters to take greater risks to get down to lower weights, thinking that they can rehydrate after the weigh in. So that has led to more intervention being needed, i.e. two check weighs for championship fights, where someone on an Area Council, usually a volunteer taking time out of their working day, has to go to weigh a fighter at certain points, the latter being three days before the fight. See 22.1(b), (c), 23.1 and 23.5 at https://bbbofc.com/build/documents/Rule ... s_2024.pdf if of interest.

If you have a rehydration clause, you do get the potential risk that the OP highlights. But if you don't have a rehydration clause, you get the risk of one fighter significantly outweighing the other, e.g. as in Gatti v Gamache, with the terrible outcome that happened there. So on rehydration clauses, I can't see what the right answer could be, either way, for any governing body on that issue.

One answer to all of these points is that it is down to fighters to make weight safely - if that were done, rehydration would be an academic issue. Fighters and trainers are warned of the risks of dehydration at their licence application meeting, told of the importance of gradual weight reduction with appropriate nutrition, etc etc, and ultimately it is for them to decide if the fighter can make the limit safely. But I appreciate we live in the real world, and that fighters can be tempted to take unsafe steps, aim for one division lower, and so on.

Is there a title at stake in the Benn v Eubank match? If there is, there should be check weighs as well.