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Riddick Bowie wrote: ↑26 Aug 2025, 06:54
You can call him anything, doesn't mean the public will connect with him. Lennox never really took off over here, couldn't fill the 5,000 seat Wembley Arena versus McCall and Botha, PPVs flopped. Difficult to get excited about a guy who grew up in Canada, learnt to box there, had a weird accent and spoke of himself in the third person all the time. Who relates to that?

Taansend wrote: ↑26 Aug 2025, 09:56

Riddick Bowie wrote: ↑26 Aug 2025, 06:54
You can call him anything, doesn't mean the public will connect with him. Lennox never really took off over here, couldn't fill the 5,000 seat Wembley Arena versus McCall and Botha, PPVs flopped. Difficult to get excited about a guy who grew up in Canada, learnt to box there, had a weird accent and spoke of himself in the third person all the time. Who relates to that?

Taansend did.

In fact Taansend was at his first & last pro bouts.

Riddick Bowie wrote: ↑26 Aug 2025, 06:54

SeanBrennan wrote: ↑25 Aug 2025, 05:43

tigermoth87 wrote: ↑25 Aug 2025, 02:52 We're currently going through a dark patch of British boxing. We have no prospects other than Itauma. All the rest across the divisions are gonna get exposed as soon as they step up. And Itauma is more Slovakian than British.

I think it’s odd to claim he’s more Slovakian. Can’t he be both? British is a broad church

You can call him anything, doesn't mean the public will connect with him. Lennox never really took off over here, couldn't fill the 5,000 seat Wembley Arena versus McCall and Botha, PPVs flopped. Difficult to get excited about a guy who grew up in Canada, learnt to box there, had a weird accent and spoke of himself in the third person all the time. Who relates to that? Similarly, Moses isn't the most endearing character and doesn't have any charisma, but he is exciting in the ring and is fighting in an era with a much larger base of casuals then there were in Lennie's day.

Two fights with around five minutes of action in all of 2025 isn't going to help his cause.

mickey1975 wrote: ↑26 Aug 2025, 15:30 Moses is a much easier sell as it's not that deep anymore. I'd guess he's very well known already through TikTok clips and YouTube shorts showing him banging people out with his age emblazoned all over the footage. He's not crossed over yet, but the name value Whyte brought will have helped as will the link with Usyk.

tony1234 wrote: ↑26 Aug 2025, 15:34

mickey1975 wrote: ↑26 Aug 2025, 15:30 Moses is a much easier sell as it's not that deep anymore. I'd guess he's very well known already through TikTok clips and YouTube shorts showing him banging people out with his age emblazoned all over the footage. He's not crossed over yet, but the name value Whyte brought will have helped as will the link with Usyk.

Can't see him being another Joshua popularity wise

mickey1975 wrote: ↑26 Aug 2025, 15:30 Moses is a much easier sell as it's not that deep anymore. I'd guess he's very well known already through TikTok clips and YouTube shorts showing him banging people out with his age emblazoned all over the footage. He's not crossed over yet, but the name value Whyte brought will have helped as will the link with Usyk.

SeanBrennan wrote: ↑26 Aug 2025, 16:50

mickey1975 wrote: ↑26 Aug 2025, 15:30 Moses is a much easier sell as it's not that deep anymore. I'd guess he's very well known already through TikTok clips and YouTube shorts showing him banging people out with his age emblazoned all over the footage. He's not crossed over yet, but the name value Whyte brought will have helped as will the link with Usyk.

I’m out the loop with all this as I’m not on Tik Tok or social media, I suspect it’s very important but I cba with all those platforms, it must be tiring as a boxer having to faff about with all that but it’s probably me being an old fart.

mickey1975 wrote: ↑26 Aug 2025, 17:56

SeanBrennan wrote: ↑26 Aug 2025, 16:50

mickey1975 wrote: ↑26 Aug 2025, 15:30 Moses is a much easier sell as it's not that deep anymore. I'd guess he's very well known already through TikTok clips and YouTube shorts showing him banging people out with his age emblazoned all over the footage. He's not crossed over yet, but the name value Whyte brought will have helped as will the link with Usyk.

I’m out the loop with all this as I’m not on Tik Tok or social media, I suspect it’s very important but I cba with all those platforms, it must be tiring as a boxer having to faff about with all that but it’s probably me being an old fart.

They don't have to. Creators will make the reels.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025, 07:59 We have four IBO champions

Middleweight: Chris Eubank Jr.
Super-lightweight: Adam Azim
Super-featherweight: Anthony Cacace
Super-bantamweight: Shabaz Masoud

tony1234 wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025, 11:08

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025, 07:59 We have four IBO champions

Middleweight: Chris Eubank Jr.
Super-lightweight: Adam Azim
Super-featherweight: Anthony Cacace
Super-bantamweight: Shabaz Masoud

Who was the first British IBO Champion ?

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025, 11:13

tony1234 wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025, 11:08

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025, 07:59 We have four IBO champions

Middleweight: Chris Eubank Jr.
Super-lightweight: Adam Azim
Super-featherweight: Anthony Cacace
Super-bantamweight: Shabaz Masoud

Who was the first British IBO Champion ?

John Lowey at super-bantamweight in 1995.

handsofstone wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025, 11:21 How comes Eubank, Benn etc were all regarded world champs in the 80s and 90s with WBO titles but Lennox was regarded undisputed in the 90s and 00s with only the other 3?

handsofstone wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025, 11:21 How comes Eubank, Benn etc were all regarded world champs in the 80s and 90s with WBO titles but Lennox was regarded undisputed in the 90s and 00s with only the other 3?

Riddick Bowie wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025, 12:09

handsofstone wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025, 11:21 How comes Eubank, Benn etc were all regarded world champs in the 80s and 90s with WBO titles but Lennox was regarded undisputed in the 90s and 00s with only the other 3?

Is this a serious question?

The WBO was a second tier world title In the 90s and into the early 00s.

Benn and Eubank were billed as world champions over here but any boxing journalism of that era acknowledged the WBO was a lesser belt. When Holfyfield and Lewis were gearing up to unify Herbie Hide was defending his WBO trinket against Damon Reed and Willi Fischer. It was just a joke.

Coco wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025, 12:31

Riddick Bowie wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025, 12:09

handsofstone wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025, 11:21 How comes Eubank, Benn etc were all regarded world champs in the 80s and 90s with WBO titles but Lennox was regarded undisputed in the 90s and 00s with only the other 3?

Is this a serious question?

The WBO was a second tier world title In the 90s and into the early 00s.

Benn and Eubank were billed as world champions over here but any boxing journalism of that era acknowledged the WBO was a lesser belt. When Holfyfield and Lewis were gearing up to unify Herbie Hide was defending his WBO trinket against Damon Reed and Willi Fischer. It was just a joke.

Some of the fighters were rated well despite the low rent belt.
It was around then that it was the fighter, rather than his belt which was important.
Look at Ottke, despite having a better belt, we wasnt rated at the top of the division

Riddick Bowie wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025, 12:09

handsofstone wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025, 11:21 How comes Eubank, Benn etc were all regarded world champs in the 80s and 90s with WBO titles but Lennox was regarded undisputed in the 90s and 00s with only the other 3?

Is this a serious question?

The WBO was a second tier world title In the 90s and into the early 00s.

Benn and Eubank were billed as world champions over here but any boxing journalism of that era acknowledged the WBO was a lesser belt. When Holfyfield and Lewis were gearing up to unify Herbie Hide was defending his WBO trinket against Damon Reed and Willi Fischer. It was just a joke.

jameswilson wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025, 14:49 Not sure when it was but think it was at some point in the 2000s that an Undisputed World champion was considered to be someone holding WBA, IBF and WBC titles.

In fact I'm not sure who the first WBO champion was that unified it with another of the 3 belts, I seem to remember the WBO champions rarely seemed to ever unify.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025, 14:50

jameswilson wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025, 14:49 Not sure when it was but think it was at some point in the 2000s that an Undisputed World champion was considered to be someone holding WBA, IBF and WBC titles.

In fact I'm not sure who the first WBO champion was that unified it with another of the 3 belts, I seem to remember the WBO champions rarely seemed to ever unify.

Hopkins wasn’t it? First 4 belt undisputed champion. Then he lost them.

handsofstone wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025, 14:43

Riddick Bowie wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025, 12:09

handsofstone wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025, 11:21 How comes Eubank, Benn etc were all regarded world champs in the 80s and 90s with WBO titles but Lennox was regarded undisputed in the 90s and 00s with only the other 3?

Is this a serious question?

The WBO was a second tier world title In the 90s and into the early 00s.

Benn and Eubank were billed as world champions over here but any boxing journalism of that era acknowledged the WBO was a lesser belt. When Holfyfield and Lewis were gearing up to unify Herbie Hide was defending his WBO trinket against Damon Reed and Willi Fischer. It was just a joke.

Why would it not be a serious question?

Riddick Bowie wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025, 15:21

handsofstone wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025, 14:43

Riddick Bowie wrote: ↑27 Aug 2025, 12:09

Is this a serious question?

The WBO was a second tier world title In the 90s and into the early 00s.

Benn and Eubank were billed as world champions over here but any boxing journalism of that era acknowledged the WBO was a lesser belt. When Holfyfield and Lewis were gearing up to unify Herbie Hide was defending his WBO trinket against Damon Reed and Willi Fischer. It was just a joke.

Why would it not be a serious question?

Is that a serious question?