Scott Harrison vs Mikey Brodie

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 13 Apr 2005, 10:21

One belt is more shinier and more reddish looking otherwise. When you regain your status as champ they must give you another belt.

Im not fat either I lift weights 3 times a week and joined a boxing gym last year quitting karate because it was pissing me off.

Im staying at 15 stone at moment now anyway. :P

J · Post by J » 13 Apr 2005, 10:22

what karate did you do max, wasnt saying you were fat mate. Just giving you an insight to how it goes!

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 13 Apr 2005, 10:24

I did Shotokan Karate and was a brown belt but was taking a liking to boxing.

J · Post by J » 13 Apr 2005, 10:29

nice i did wadaryu for 12 years.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 13 Apr 2005, 10:30

J wrote:mate at 19 you shouldnt be fat.

wait til you hit 30 your whole metabolism slows down and what you could previously work off doesnt quoite shift as easy.

i was eleven wet through til i was 25. by the time i was 30 i had gone up to 13 most of that filling out ot be honest then over the past 2 years its become harder to get off (ooh err excuse the pun).

Now i have to make a concentrated effort to eat better and up the sports to shift weight.

being a pisshead doesnt help. nor did giving up clubbing every weekend and the appetite suppresents that tend to go hand in hand.

Yep, I was 12 stone at 16, at 19 I was the same, at 25 I was 12 stone 5, at 29, about 13 stone, so I'm not too far north of where I started at 16 considering how much bigger.

At 19 unless you are built like a brick dunny, you're heading for a size 38 trouser or more by my age.

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 13 Apr 2005, 10:32

Im about 36 waist. It's definately more muscle though.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 13 Apr 2005, 10:43

Better start getting into those sunday supplements, they normally have a couple of pairs of 'comfort fit casual style pants' with 'elasticated waist' for 'freedom of movement.'

Having said all that, I'm sure you're healthier than me right now, I noticed myself huffing after running up a flight of stairs the other day. Better get the mountain bike back into action or I'll need a stannah stair lift at home.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 13 Apr 2005, 10:45

Kilburn wrote:1. I'd have to see Brodie fight again before I agree with the theory that he is now "shot". It's not like he just got thumped by a lesser fighter (e.g Dunne v Bennett, Juuko v Gomez). I believe he ran into a much stronger and more confident Chi for the rematch.

2. Chi would punch holes in Harrison.

I tend to agree with that. Getting beat up by Chi certainly doesn't mean you're shot. I think Chi is good enough to beat all but the very best of the division.

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 13 Apr 2005, 10:52

I will be cheering on for Brodie who is the much better boxer P4P of the two. I think he will have his moments but the picture indicates the two reasons why I don't give him much of a chance.

1) The Size difference.

2) Brodie will be stuggling to see after the 4th round.

He WILL swell up, that is perminant damage there and and like Eubank was vs Thompson - it will swell up rather quickly.

kevo · Post by **kevo** » 13 Apr 2005, 11:03

Don't forget, Harrison tends to swell up aswell. I see Brodie getting dropped then getting up to win on points.

Might actually go to this fight, seeing how i couldn't get tickets for the Hatton fight

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 13 Apr 2005, 11:33

In-Jin chi is every bit as strong as Harrison, and is a more hurtful puncher, but Brodie hung with him in their 1st fight. Harrison looked extremely discouraged

I believe Brodie can win this if he sticks to a gameplan and uses a body attack coupled with movement and working behind the jab. If he stands in front of Harrison and starts whaling away, he's fucked.

I'm not saying Brodie will win, just that I think he has the skills to win. The problem is that at some point he always seems to get dragged into open warfare. Remember his bout with Pastor Maurin?

Brodie needs to capitalise on Harrison's leaden footedness, porous defence, lack of head movement and lack of invention when being outboxed. Harrison has heart, strength and stamina on his side, but it's hard to use these assets if he is getting hit by an opponent on the retreat.

Had Polo been a more spiteful puncher, I think he could have stopped Harrison, because Harrison looked utterly spent in the 10th and 11th rounds. Brodie has a good body attack, he used it to good effect against Chi, but Chi was just so relentless and seemed able to just soak it up, Mikey seemed to punch himself out before he could really hurt him.

kevo · Post by **kevo** » 13 Apr 2005, 11:40

jamesmcdonnell wrote: Brodie has a good body attack, he used it to good effect against Chi, but Chi was just so relentless and seemed able to just soak it up, Mikey seemed to punch himself out before he could really hurt him.

And Harrison always looks uncomfortable when attacked to the body. Must because he kills himself to make weight

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 13 Apr 2005, 11:44

Does anyone have a rational explanation as to why weight draining would make you more susceptible to body punches in particular? I've often heard this and witnessed that fighters who have struggled with weight being easily hurt to the body, but cannot think why this would be?

Any ideas? Or is this merely a myth?

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 13 Apr 2005, 11:48

Kevo wrote:
jamesmcdonnell wrote: Brodie has a good body attack, he used it to good effect against Chi, but Chi was just so relentless and seemed able to just soak it up, Mikey seemed to punch himself out before he could really hurt him.
And Harrison always looks uncomfortable when attacked to the body. Must because he kills himself to make weight

Yes and Yes - good points - Brodie's body attacks and Harrison's suspect body do make this fight more interesting - I had forgotton how good Brodie can be downstairs.

Interesting.

jomothepure · Post by **jomothepure** » 13 Apr 2005, 11:56

Harrison wins RSF.

Me and a mate are having a weight-shifting contest at the moment. His routine is not to eat until teatime. But he is an utter lazy sod and still wills stella.

I'm not really cutting back on the food. Just eating more good stuff along with the bad. Halved the ciggarette and coffe intake, and just drink neat gin and vodka. (One of thems supposed to have no calories but I can't remember which so just have both to be on the safe side) and multiplied exercise by infinity (by default, but still doing far more, all different sorts of things.)

He's lost half a stone but he looks a right pale wiry little prick, while I'm all bristling with muscle and am jumping up the Phily art gallery steps 3 at a time. Past couple of weeks, I have felt more alert and had more energy tho. I'll be down to super-heavy yet.

J · Post by J » 13 Apr 2005, 11:59

its vodka mate.

i rarely driink spririts more of a vino man.
bit light on the laofers i know but beer and vino does me to be honest.
red wine actually is good for a lot of things.

getting pissed being one of them

Manos de Oro · Post by **Manos de Oro** » 13 Apr 2005, 15:52

Brodie has been giving me the vibe he's going to get beat in this one, same reasons as already stated: size, eyes, talking about retirement. He's giving me the same vibes I got prior to the Chi rematch.

Saying that, there's still a bit of time to go - sometimes you get a fighter who is really down and appears heading for execution, who then turns it on at the actual fight. Can't think of any examples off hand, but it's something I've always kept tabs on. Should never underestimate any opponent.

And yes, the two belts are amusing. My mates and I burst out laughing at ringside when he first came out with them: "aw naw, are they that cheap?" I remarked.

Bard of Boxrec · Post by **Bard of Boxrec** » 14 Apr 2005, 08:13

WHAT IS THE OTHER BELT???!

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 14 Apr 2005, 08:24

Haven't we been over this already. He got a second belt when he won the title back from Medina.

jomothepure · Post by **jomothepure** » 14 Apr 2005, 08:25

Riddick Blowe wrote:WHAT IS THE OTHER BELT???!

Right. I THINK it's somehow related to losing to Medina then winning it back. And the WBO just thought they'd give him another one. They had lots of B&H gratis points lying spare or something. Surely it's not a WBO emeritus champion of champions belt.

P.S. Scott now 2nd in Boxrec rankings

I know it's all computerised and objective but still

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 14 Apr 2005, 08:33

I can tell you something, the belts won't be cheap to make. A replica WBC belt I think costs around 5000 dollars. I presume the originals are made from more expensive materials.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 14 Apr 2005, 08:37

Found it..

Check this link...

http://www.wbcme.co.uk/shop/products.as ... ategory=19

They used to do full size replica belts, but it seems they only do miniature versions now.

kevo · Post by **kevo** » 14 Apr 2005, 09:10

Thers a company that make 'Ring' champ belts aswell. They must cost a bomb. Me and me mate looked into how much the replica belts were, think the WBC one was about 600 nicker, Fella said he'd give us 2 for a grand

fornicating bargain

kevo · Post by **kevo** » 14 Apr 2005, 09:23

jamesmcdonnell wrote:Does anyone have a rational explanation as to why weight draining would make you more susceptible to body punches in particular? I've often heard this and witnessed that fighters who have struggled with weight being easily hurt to the body, but cannot think why this would be?

Any ideas? Or is this merely a myth?

Just a theory, but i think it might be to do with the lack of fat around the midriff. When Randall Baily was stopped by a body shot against Diobelys Hurtado, he said the that he had next to no body fat, and when struck by a good body shot he got cramp in his stomach muscles.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 14 Apr 2005, 09:33

Thing is, boxers tend to have very low body fat anyhow, so I can't see as that would make a great deal of difference really. Maybe the weight draining process just makes them more susceptible to pain that normal, due to some sort of strain on the nervouos system, or induces muscular cramp more easily.

Actually, that would make sense. Cramp is caused by lack of salts I seem to recall.

Found this on a sports medicine website.

Heat, dehydration and electrolyte depletion: Muscle cramps are more likely when you exercise in hot weather because sweat drains your body’s fluids, salt and minerals (i.e., potassium, magnesium and calcium). Loss of these nutrients may also cause a muscle to spasm.