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Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑09 Nov 2025, 14:13

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑09 Nov 2025, 13:57

Why? Because she's fast and skilled and your not. You wouldn't land clean, you'd be off balance, out of position and wide open for shots.

I remember people saying all those things when Romda Rousey was doing well in UFC

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑09 Nov 2025, 14:23

Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑09 Nov 2025, 14:13

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑09 Nov 2025, 13:57

Why? Because she's fast and skilled and your not. You wouldn't land clean, you'd be off balance, out of position and wide open for shots.

I remember people saying all those things when Romda Rousey was doing well in UFC

OK. I work with a lad in his late twenties, who was British champion for one of the MMA organisations a few years back. He still trains every day, is an expert, knows every move, his Ju-Jitsu is fantastic, he's in incredible shape, long, lean, skilled. I asked him today how he thought he would do if he fought Rhonda Rousey in her prime. This is a cocky kid who was unbeaten in his MMA career. Wanna know what he said? "I wouldn't stand a chance."

gilgamesh wrote: ↑09 Nov 2025, 14:31

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑09 Nov 2025, 14:23

Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑09 Nov 2025, 14:13

I remember people saying all those things when Romda Rousey was doing well in UFC

OK. I work with a lad in his late twenties, who was British champion for one of the MMA organisations a few years back. He still trains every day, is an expert, knows every move, his Ju-Jitsu is fantastic, he's in incredible shape, long, lean, skilled. I asked him today how he thought he would do if he fought Rhonda Rousey in her prime. This is a cocky kid who was unbeaten in his MMA career. Wanna know what he said? "I wouldn't stand a chance."

He underestimates himself or overestimates her is all I can say to that.

Some people were putting Ronda on pound for pound lists next to the Men of MMA when she was active. People are just delusional sometimes.

Technique and Skill goes a long way, but at a certain point the strength advantage cancels it out or at least evens things up. If the stronger person was calm, and had a bit of a strategic mind themselves, it could be trouble.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑09 Nov 2025, 14:26 I think I could beat her. I could rest anytime I wanted, by dropping my hands, and just fully relaxing with my hands down by my side. Normally that wouldn't be advisable in a Boxing match, but against Claressa Shields it wouldn't matter, she could hit me sure, but it would hurt about as much as a toddler punching me.

The main difficulty would be in landing the shot on her. So I think having a difficulty to predict attack pattern would be key, and being able to come in with your hands down by your side completely unconcerned about any incoming offense would definitely make your own offense pretty unpredictable, and the timing of it would be off putting even to Claressa.

Now honestly I've never been a huge puncher myself so it wouldn't be out of the question that I'd hit Claressa with my best shot, and she'd just take it, but I think it'd be interesting certainly.

I'd give it a whirl if someone offered it to me, just for the amusement of it all.

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑09 Nov 2025, 14:45

gilgamesh wrote: ↑09 Nov 2025, 14:26 I think I could beat her. I could rest anytime I wanted, by dropping my hands, and just fully relaxing with my hands down by my side. Normally that wouldn't be advisable in a Boxing match, but against Claressa Shields it wouldn't matter, she could hit me sure, but it would hurt about as much as a toddler punching me.

The main difficulty would be in landing the shot on her. So I think having a difficulty to predict attack pattern would be key, and being able to come in with your hands down by your side completely unconcerned about any incoming offense would definitely make your own offense pretty unpredictable, and the timing of it would be off putting even to Claressa.

Now honestly I've never been a huge puncher myself so it wouldn't be out of the question that I'd hit Claressa with my best shot, and she'd just take it, but I think it'd be interesting certainly.

I'd give it a whirl if someone offered it to me, just for the amusement of it all.

I'll ask you the same question I asked Beetle. How do you think you would do against the best woman in Judo?

gilgamesh wrote: ↑09 Nov 2025, 14:50

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑09 Nov 2025, 14:45

gilgamesh wrote: ↑09 Nov 2025, 14:26 I think I could beat her. I could rest anytime I wanted, by dropping my hands, and just fully relaxing with my hands down by my side. Normally that wouldn't be advisable in a Boxing match, but against Claressa Shields it wouldn't matter, she could hit me sure, but it would hurt about as much as a toddler punching me.

The main difficulty would be in landing the shot on her. So I think having a difficulty to predict attack pattern would be key, and being able to come in with your hands down by your side completely unconcerned about any incoming offense would definitely make your own offense pretty unpredictable, and the timing of it would be off putting even to Claressa.

Now honestly I've never been a huge puncher myself so it wouldn't be out of the question that I'd hit Claressa with my best shot, and she'd just take it, but I think it'd be interesting certainly.

I'd give it a whirl if someone offered it to me, just for the amusement of it all.

I'll ask you the same question I asked Beetle. How do you think you would do against the best woman in Judo?

Not good I can't wrestle, and have no grappling skill whatsoever.

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑09 Nov 2025, 14:53

gilgamesh wrote: ↑09 Nov 2025, 14:50

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑09 Nov 2025, 14:45

I'll ask you the same question I asked Beetle. How do you think you would do against the best woman in Judo?

Not good I can't wrestle, and have no grappling skill whatsoever.

But she's just a Sheila, surely strength would have to come into it at some point?

What's your level of boxing experience dude?

gp. wrote: ↑09 Nov 2025, 15:03 I presume a lot of respondents here also think that an average bloke could walk in off the street and run an eleven second 100m as well; after all, "a woman can do it, and men can run faster than women, and I'm a man."

gilgamesh wrote: ↑09 Nov 2025, 14:56

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑09 Nov 2025, 14:53

gilgamesh wrote: ↑09 Nov 2025, 14:50

Not good I can't wrestle, and have no grappling skill whatsoever.

But she's just a Sheila, surely strength would have to come into it at some point?

What's your level of boxing experience dude?

I had 1 amateur bout.

And for the record I never said I'd definitely beat Shields. It would all depend on whether she could take my shot or not. I know I wouldn't beat her on points. A KO punch would be my only shot so that's how I'd fight the bout.

I don't think she could knock me out, but I could see myself saying "F*ck this"and not wanting anymore if it was say Round 7 or 8, and I had landed the best I could land, and it didn't work.

I'd be insistent on feeling her best shot and her feeling my best though before I gave up. I would invite her best shot against me just to kinda mentally break her a little that she can't hurt me at all.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑09 Nov 2025, 15:04

gp. wrote: ↑09 Nov 2025, 15:03 I presume a lot of respondents here also think that an average bloke could walk in off the street and run an eleven second 100m as well; after all, "a woman can do it, and men can run faster than women, and I'm a man."

Not the same thing at all. You can punch hard whether you're in shape or not. You just can't do it for as long.

You can't run 100m at any kinda noteworthy speed if you ain't training for it.

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑09 Nov 2025, 14:23

Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑09 Nov 2025, 14:13

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑09 Nov 2025, 13:57

Why? Because she's fast and skilled and your not. You wouldn't land clean, you'd be off balance, out of position and wide open for shots.

I remember people saying all those things when Romda Rousey was doing well in UFC

OK. I work with a lad in his late twenties, who was British champion for one of the MMA organisations a few years back. He still trains every day, is an expert, knows every move, his Ju-Jitsu is fantastic, he's in incredible shape, long, lean, skilled. I asked him today how he thought he would do if he fought Rhonda Rousey in her prime. This is a cocky kid who was unbeaten in his MMA career. Wanna know what he said? "I wouldn't stand a chance."

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑09 Nov 2025, 15:11

gilgamesh wrote: ↑09 Nov 2025, 15:04

gp. wrote: ↑09 Nov 2025, 15:03 I presume a lot of respondents here also think that an average bloke could walk in off the street and run an eleven second 100m as well; after all, "a woman can do it, and men can run faster than women, and I'm a man."

Not the same thing at all. You can punch hard whether you're in shape or not. You just can't do it for as long.

You can't run 100m at any kinda noteworthy speed if you ain't training for it.

How do you know you punch hard? I'm not volunteering by the way.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑09 Nov 2025, 15:14 If you saw me suddenly decide I need to keep those arms in defensive positions after all, she's already won a big part of the psychological battle

I'd be genuinely curious how something like this would play out.

We need Mr. Beast or somebody throwing around crazy money to make these wacky scenarios happen

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑09 Nov 2025, 15:18

gilgamesh wrote: ↑09 Nov 2025, 15:14 If you saw me suddenly decide I need to keep those arms in defensive positions after all, she's already won a big part of the psychological battle

I'd be genuinely curious how something like this would play out.

We need Mr. Beast or somebody throwing around crazy money to make these wacky scenarios happen

Dude, make it happen. You'll have D in the corner and me carrying the spit bucket.

skanksta wrote: ↑09 Nov 2025, 15:15

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑09 Nov 2025, 14:23

Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑09 Nov 2025, 14:13

I remember people saying all those things when Romda Rousey was doing well in UFC

OK. I work with a lad in his late twenties, who was British champion for one of the MMA organisations a few years back. He still trains every day, is an expert, knows every move, his Ju-Jitsu is fantastic, he's in incredible shape, long, lean, skilled. I asked him today how he thought he would do if he fought Rhonda Rousey in her prime. This is a cocky kid who was unbeaten in his MMA career. Wanna know what he said? "I wouldn't stand a chance."

That is interesting data.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑09 Nov 2025, 15:24 I think it'd be funny to know how you'd do against some of the worst Male boxers ever as well.

Like the Charlie Zelenoff's and Andrew Hartley's of the world. Or Brian Sutherland.

For the record I'd pick Claressa over any of those 3 guys.

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑09 Nov 2025, 15:30

gilgamesh wrote: ↑09 Nov 2025, 15:24 I think it'd be funny to know how you'd do against some of the worst Male boxers ever as well.

Like the Charlie Zelenoff's and Andrew Hartley's of the world. Or Brian Sutherland.

For the record I'd pick Claressa over any of those 3 guys.

Mate, I'm 55 and haven't laced a glove since the 90's. After three rounds at a fast pace, I'd need oxygen in the corner.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑09 Nov 2025, 15:32

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑09 Nov 2025, 15:30

gilgamesh wrote: ↑09 Nov 2025, 15:24 I think it'd be funny to know how you'd do against some of the worst Male boxers ever as well.

Like the Charlie Zelenoff's and Andrew Hartley's of the world. Or Brian Sutherland.

For the record I'd pick Claressa over any of those 3 guys.

Mate, I'm 55 and haven't laced a glove since the 90's. After three rounds at a fast pace, I'd need oxygen in the corner.

Yeah stamina would be the biggest issue for me for sure. That's why keeping as calm as possible would be crucial to making sure I have the most attempts at meaningful offense I could muster.

Even then my punches probably wouldn't be able to crack an egg by the 4th.

skanksta wrote: ↑09 Nov 2025, 15:40 It's certainly an interesting problem...

I've said this before, but it must be possible to calculate a 'male advantage formula' and let them fight off that.
Say 108 man vs 168 woman ?

skanksta wrote: ↑09 Nov 2025, 15:40 It's certainly an interesting problem...

I've said this before, but it must be possible to calculate a 'male advantage formula' and let them fight off that.
Say 108 man vs 168 woman ?