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Re: Who Do You Rate Higher, Vitali Klitschko or Riddick Bowe?
Posted: 22 Dec 2025, 13:15
by Cojimar 1946
gilgamesh wrote: ↑14 Dec 2025, 20:44
Riddick Bowe has a total of 318 points under my system (293 of which come in fights there's video of)
Vitali Klitschko has a total of 262
Bowe has what I would consider to be 12 quality wins (A win over an opponent with a rating of 3 or better)
Vitali has what I would consider to be 4 quality wins
Bowe has 70 bonus points for having an All Time Platinum win over Holyfield in their 1st bout, and a Non Title Gold Star win in their 3rd bout.
Vitali Klitschko has no Gold star wins to his credit. He gets 75 bonus points total for all of his title bouts put together. While Bowe gets 70 Bonus points for the 2 Holyfield wins alone.
Bowe then gets an additional 30 points for his other title victories.
The rest of their points come against sub-par competition, and I didn't even add in the extra points that I could've from the fights I couldn't find footage of for Bowe.
So there you have it. Any questions you'd like to ask or comments you'd want to raise about how I arrived where I did that I didn't already explain I'd be happy to discuss.
Can't see 12 quality wins for Bowe.
Holyfield (2x), Golota (2x), Tubbs and Donald only get us to six and those are really the only guys you could credibly argue were world class or close
To rate the rest of his opponents qualify wins you would have to give Vital credit for guys like Mahone, Purrity etc
Re: Who Do You Rate Higher, Vitali Klitschko or Riddick Bowe?
Posted: 22 Dec 2025, 13:40
by gilgamesh
Cojimar 1946 wrote: ↑22 Dec 2025, 13:15
gilgamesh wrote: ↑14 Dec 2025, 20:44
Riddick Bowe has a total of 325 points under my system (300 of which come in fights there's video of)
Vitali Klitschko has a total of 262
Bowe has what I would consider to be 12 quality wins (A win over an opponent with a rating of 3 or better)
Vitali has what I would consider to be 4 quality wins
Bowe has 70 bonus points for having an All Time Platinum win over Holyfield in their 1st bout, and a Non Title Gold Star win in their 3rd bout.
Vitali Klitschko has no Gold star wins to his credit. He gets 75 bonus points total for all of his title bouts put together. While Bowe gets 70 Bonus points for the 2 Holyfield wins alone.
Bowe then gets an additional 30 points for his other title victories.
The rest of their points come against sub-par competition, and I didn't even add in the extra points that I could've from the fights I couldn't find footage of for Bowe.
So there you have it. Any questions you'd like to ask or comments you'd want to raise about how I arrived where I did that I didn't already explain I'd be happy to discuss.
Can't see 12 quality wins for Bowe.
Holyfield (2x), Golota (2x), Tubbs and Donald only get us to six and those are really the only guys you could credibly argue were world class or close
To rate the rest of his opponents qualify wins you would have to give Vital credit for guys like Mahone, Purrity etc
You're right that upon examination some of the guys I called "Quality opponents" should've been considered more as Fringe contenders. Those being Jorge Luis Gonzalez, Tyrell Biggs and Bert Cooper.
I've made the adjustments, and now it's 9 Quality wins for Bowe.
Holyfield 2x, Golota 2x, Tubbs, Pinklon Thomas, Michael Dokes, Herbie Hide and Larry Donald.
You could add a 5th quality win for Vitali since he also defeated Larry Donald, and I suppose he was still more or less the same fighter when Vitali fought him as when Bowe did.
Making those adjustments would make Bowe's score 322 with Vitali's being 263. Doesn't affect their score much, but it is a wee bit more accurate.
Re: Who Do You Rate Higher, Vitali Klitschko or Riddick Bowe?
Posted: 18 May 2026, 00:29
by Klee Gluckman
Don't See why Vitali is ranked above Tua, yet alone Bowe.
Re: Who Do You Rate Higher, Vitali Klitschko or Riddick Bowe?
Posted: 18 May 2026, 00:42
by gilgamesh
Klee Gluckman wrote: ↑18 May 2026, 00:29
Don't See why Vitali is ranked above Tua, yet alone Bowe.
I'd rate him above Tua, but not Bowe.
Re: Who Do You Rate Higher, Vitali Klitschko or Riddick Bowe?
Posted: 18 May 2026, 21:11
by elmersalsa
I think that I gotta go with Riddick Bowe. He beat the best heavyweight of the 90s.