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Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑26 Dec 2025, 06:39

mickey1975 wrote: ↑26 Dec 2025, 06:10 He had an undefeated run from 2015-2024 as linear champion.

Ah yes. The non-existent belt he carried and retired around 10 times in that time.

Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑26 Dec 2025, 17:43 I personally don’t hold Fury’s failed tests against him - 90% of heavyweight boxers are on PEDs.

mickey1975 wrote: ↑26 Dec 2025, 14:28

KiwiRider wrote: ↑26 Dec 2025, 13:35

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑25 Dec 2025, 19:02 By time he fought wilder even the ring belt was vacant

Good point. I forgot about the Ring belt.
There was also never a time during his reign when he was undisputed or generally considered the world #1.
When he beat Wlad, there was Wilder, and when he finally beat Wilder, there was AJ.

Will Usyk not be generally considered number 1 if all Wardleys fans disagree?

gilgamesh wrote: ↑26 Dec 2025, 17:49

Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑26 Dec 2025, 17:43 I personally don’t hold Fury’s failed tests against him - 90% of heavyweight boxers are on PEDs.

I'm with you on that. I'm so avidly of this opinion that I don't even take James Toney's WBA Heavyweight title win over John Ruiz away from him.

It is interesting that everyone feels this way pretty much about Tyson Fury having so relatively few title defenses. It definitely makes he and AJ's standing All time a lot closer, if many of his other bouts weren't considered title bouts.

I even considered his Draw against Deontay Wilder in their 1st bout to be a successful defense of his Lineal crown, but if you all believe he simply had no lineal crown then that means he was just a challenger that didn't win the belt as opposed to a fellow defending Champion who also kept his title. It makes that bout worth more for Wilder than it's worth for Fury historically.

Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑26 Dec 2025, 18:35

gilgamesh wrote: ↑26 Dec 2025, 17:49

Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑26 Dec 2025, 17:43 I personally don’t hold Fury’s failed tests against him - 90% of heavyweight boxers are on PEDs.

I'm with you on that. I'm so avidly of this opinion that I don't even take James Toney's WBA Heavyweight title win over John Ruiz away from him.

It is interesting that everyone feels this way pretty much about Tyson Fury having so relatively few title defenses. It definitely makes he and AJ's standing All time a lot closer, if many of his other bouts weren't considered title bouts.

I even considered his Draw against Deontay Wilder in their 1st bout to be a successful defense of his Lineal crown, but if you all believe he simply had no lineal crown then that means he was just a challenger that didn't win the belt as opposed to a fellow defending Champion who also kept his title. It makes that bout worth more for Wilder than it's worth for Fury historically.

Yep and to take it a step further - I don’t pay any attention to controversial decisions either. Wilder took his first loss in Fury 1, Taylor took his first loss in Catterall 1, etc. No need to give this corrupt sport any more legitimacy than it deserves by going along with the official results; we all know they are dodgy.

Where the decision is controversial or arguable, I’m happy to go with the officials. But where the is blatant, I’ll simply ignore it when considering a fighter’s record / form.