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Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑21 Feb 2026, 19:26 Big enough to make a movie about it!

Always thought Walcott's finally winning the title win over Charles was special. The guy just never gave up.
Marciano-Walcott worth mentioning just for being a great fight.

Expug wrote: ↑21 Feb 2026, 18:46 Jimmy Braddock beating Max Baer was pretty big also.

cfang wrote: ↑22 Feb 2026, 10:48 Ali vs foreman for me. After foreman destroyed both Frazier and Norton it took a lot of nerve for Ali to take him on. Then to beat him the way he did and in a fight of global interest. That’s the one for me.

A few others like Louis koing schmeling and Duran beating Leonard.

yancey wrote: ↑17 Mar 2026, 21:43 Greatest win in boxing history?

Joe Frazier FOTC 3/8/71.

No doubt about it.

The FOTC was the one moment in boxing when the whole world was watching.

And the better man won.

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑20 Feb 2026, 11:27 Leonard-Hagler is #1 for me and it's not on the main list. One fight in five years, first time at the weight, beat a guy who'd dominated the division for six years

BroughtonRulesRefuge wrote: ↑18 Mar 2026, 12:21

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑20 Feb 2026, 11:27 Leonard-Hagler is #1 for me and it's not on the main list. One fight in five years, first time at the weight, beat a guy who'd dominated the division for six years

- Now there you Moonies go mangling history yet again.

Ray was in private training for a year for Marv where top fighters were fed consecutively with the Big Payouts withheld until the fight was completed. Nobody but a few insiders knew, and what Ray did vs Marv was mostly run with a few classic Ray popcorn flurries that my 2 yr old youngest son replicated on his 3 yr old brother one day to keep him from entering a favorite bakery. Nothing landed as I picked him up so we could enter and the event was immediately forgotten. As typical of boxing, a crooked official played a role with minimally credentialed Mexican Judge, Jose Juan Guerra gave Ray a lopsided win in an otherwise close split decision.

https://boxrec.com/en/judge/400971?offset=250

Ray lost a lotta fans that night like me when he retired rather than face up to the Boos echoing thru Ceasars. Marv held open his Rematch offer for a year when he finally retired in disgust.

Next day Ray announces his comeback that was largely hit and miss with fans. Roberto and Marv were true boxing fan heroes. Ray was for the light in the loafers who only see flash...

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑18 Mar 2026, 12:28

BroughtonRulesRefuge wrote: ↑18 Mar 2026, 12:21

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑20 Feb 2026, 11:27 Leonard-Hagler is #1 for me and it's not on the main list. One fight in five years, first time at the weight, beat a guy who'd dominated the division for six years

- Now there you Moonies go mangling history yet again.

Ray was in private training for a year for Marv where top fighters were fed consecutively with the Big Payouts withheld until the fight was completed. Nobody but a few insiders knew, and what Ray did vs Marv was mostly run with a few classic Ray popcorn flurries that my 2 yr old youngest son replicated on his 3 yr old brother one day to keep him from entering a favorite bakery. Nothing landed as I picked him up so we could enter and the event was immediately forgotten. As typical of boxing, a crooked official played a role with minimally credentialed Mexican Judge, Jose Juan Guerra gave Ray a lopsided win in an otherwise close split decision.

https://boxrec.com/en/judge/400971?offset=250

Ray lost a lotta fans that night like me when he retired rather than face up to the Boos echoing thru Ceasars. Marv held open his Rematch offer for a year when he finally retired in disgust.

Next day Ray announces his comeback that was largely hit and miss with fans. Roberto and Marv were true boxing fan heroes. Ray was for the light in the loafers who only see flash...

I love how you sprinkle a little bit of fiction into your post and pass it off as real. Well done.

BroughtonRulesRefuge wrote: ↑18 Mar 2026, 12:55

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑18 Mar 2026, 12:28

BroughtonRulesRefuge wrote: ↑18 Mar 2026, 12:21

- Now there you Moonies go mangling history yet again.

Ray was in private training for a year for Marv where top fighters were fed consecutively with the Big Payouts withheld until the fight was completed. Nobody but a few insiders knew, and what Ray did vs Marv was mostly run with a few classic Ray popcorn flurries that my 2 yr old youngest son replicated on his 3 yr old brother one day to keep him from entering a favorite bakery. Nothing landed as I picked him up so we could enter and the event was immediately forgotten. As typical of boxing, a crooked official played a role with minimally credentialed Mexican Judge, Jose Juan Guerra gave Ray a lopsided win in an otherwise close split decision.

https://boxrec.com/en/judge/400971?offset=250

Ray lost a lotta fans that night like me when he retired rather than face up to the Boos echoing thru Ceasars. Marv held open his Rematch offer for a year when he finally retired in disgust.

Next day Ray announces his comeback that was largely hit and miss with fans. Roberto and Marv were true boxing fan heroes. Ray was for the light in the loafers who only see flash...

I love how you sprinkle a little bit of fiction into your post and pass it off as real. Well done.

- Indeed, in time you'll grow up and find out how things really work, but of course recondite holdouts will always remain to stain their history of the world 101, hence the current state of international affairs...

BroughtonRulesRefuge wrote: ↑18 Mar 2026, 12:21

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑20 Feb 2026, 11:27 Leonard-Hagler is #1 for me and it's not on the main list. One fight in five years, first time at the weight, beat a guy who'd dominated the division for six years

- Now there you Moonies go mangling history yet again.

Ray was in private training for a year for Marv where top fighters were fed consecutively with the Big Payouts withheld until the fight was completed. Nobody but a few insiders knew, and what Ray did vs Marv was mostly run with a few classic Ray popcorn flurries that my 2 yr old youngest son replicated on his 3 yr old brother one day to keep him from entering a favorite bakery. Nothing landed as I picked him up so we could enter and the event was immediately forgotten. As typical of boxing, a crooked official played a role with minimally credentialed Mexican Judge, Jose Juan Guerra gave Ray a lopsided win in an otherwise close split decision.

https://boxrec.com/en/judge/400971?offset=250

Ray lost a lotta fans that night like me when he retired rather than face up to the Boos echoing thru Ceasars. Marv held open his Rematch offer for a year when he finally retired in disgust.

Next day Ray announces his comeback that was largely hit and miss with fans. Roberto and Marv were true boxing fan heroes. Ray was for the light in the loafers who only see flash...

yancey wrote: ↑18 Mar 2026, 14:54

BroughtonRulesRefuge wrote: ↑18 Mar 2026, 12:21

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑20 Feb 2026, 11:27 Leonard-Hagler is #1 for me and it's not on the main list. One fight in five years, first time at the weight, beat a guy who'd dominated the division for six years

- Now there you Moonies go mangling history yet again.

Ray was in private training for a year for Marv where top fighters were fed consecutively with the Big Payouts withheld until the fight was completed. Nobody but a few insiders knew, and what Ray did vs Marv was mostly run with a few classic Ray popcorn flurries that my 2 yr old youngest son replicated on his 3 yr old brother one day to keep him from entering a favorite bakery. Nothing landed as I picked him up so we could enter and the event was immediately forgotten. As typical of boxing, a crooked official played a role with minimally credentialed Mexican Judge, Jose Juan Guerra gave Ray a lopsided win in an otherwise close split decision.

https://boxrec.com/en/judge/400971?offset=250

Ray lost a lotta fans that night like me when he retired rather than face up to the Boos echoing thru Ceasars. Marv held open his Rematch offer for a year when he finally retired in disgust.

Next day Ray announces his comeback that was largely hit and miss with fans. Roberto and Marv were true boxing fan heroes. Ray was for the light in the loafers who only see flash...

^

Agree with this point of view. but.....

I do think that Hagler should have been more aggressive in the fight.

He should have forced Leonard to fight that night.

That would have taken the outcome out of the hands of judges who were overly impressed with flash.

elmersalsa wrote: ↑17 Mar 2026, 23:32 Welcome back, Yancey. It has been a while that I don't see you in boxrec.