8.9 million watch Wlad on ARD (german TV)

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 25 Apr 2005, 08:16

Wasn't Maske vs Hill some kind of record?

BubiScholz · Post by **BubiScholz** » 25 Apr 2005, 08:21

stujones wrote:Wasn't Maske vs Hill some kind of record?

could also be, was the last fight of the easthero. the fornicating walk-in-music (time to say good bye) is one of the most sold records in germany (more than every beatles single!).

I hated Maske but he (together with DM´, Rocky and Schulz) was the beginning of a new era in german boxing.

J · Post by J » 25 Apr 2005, 08:23

BubiScholz wrote:Wladi Klitschko
Vitali Klitschko - yes
Luan Krasniqi - just
Sinan Samil Sam =- just
Nicolai Valuev - yes
Corrie Sanders - retired
Juan Carlos Gomez - no
Timo Hoffmann - no
Wladimir Virchis - no
Ruslan Chagaev - was
Alexander Dimitrenko - no
Taras Bidenko - no
Andreas Sidon- no
Cengiz Koc - sprott beat him for fucks sake world class?
Gene Pukall- who HEAVYWEIGHT

Firat Arslan - yes
Alexander Petkovic - debatable
Rüdiger May - not really
Pavel Melkomiian - no CRUISER

DM - retired
Erdei - yes
Ulrich - yes
Drews - fringe
Aurino - who
Kurzawa - who LIGHT HEAVY

Beyer - yes
Veit - fringe
Stieglitz - no
Häussler - just
Inkin - not yet
Tsypko - yes
Malik D. - no
Brähmer (out of jail soon) - thats getitng desperate so is fuckin Ike
SUPER MIDDLE

Sturm - yes
Abraham - yes
Schenk - fringe
Gevor(gyan) - no
Sylvester - no
Dzemski - no
MIDDLE

40 guys from midle to heavy, who are almost all under the top 20 in Europe. at least 30 are world class

fornicate me, world class 30 out of that lot you are quite mad or just having a joke here?
I challenge anyone here aprt form you Bubi that they can say even 20 of those names are genuine world class.

world class means top ten-fifteen at a push right. (if its ten wipe out sam and krasniq and vlad.)

you are biased beyond belief see my comments. ive got 9 max.

as i said only you would rate 30 out of 40 of that lot world class, so sprott must be a contender then fuckinell.

and you have the gall to slate us for being pro harrison or williams.
WORSE THAN THAT YOU CALL CLINTON WOODS RUBBISH

go away silly man.

Neri · Post by **Neri** » 25 Apr 2005, 08:47

I have 12

BubiScholz · Post by **BubiScholz** » 25 Apr 2005, 08:50

i would say world class is top 15 WBO,WBA,WBC and IBF.

Heavy:V.KLitschko,W.KLitschko,Krasniqi,Sanders,Sam,Valuev,Hoffmann,Bidenko - Skelton 8-1

Cruiser: Petkovic,Melkomian,Arslan,May - Nelson,Enzo,Thompson,Hobson 4-4 (12-5 agg)

Light Heavy: DM,Erdei,Drews,Ulrich,Aurino - Woods,Michailenko 5-2 (17-7)

Super Middle: Veit,Beyer,Tsypko,Häussler,Stieglitz - Calzone,Reid,Magee 5-3 (22-10)

Middle: Sturm,Schenk,Abraham - Eastman 3-1 (25-11)

Sorry J, it´s just 25

No bias, just facts, what about an excuse?

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 25 Apr 2005, 08:58

Wladi Klitschko - FRINGE
Vitali Klitschko - YES
Luan Krasniqi - FRINGE
Sinan Samil Sam - NO
Nicolai Valuev - NO (NOT YET)
Corrie Sanders - YES (I don't think he's retired)
Juan Carlos Gomez - Not currently
Timo Hoffmann - No
Wladimir Virchis - NO
Ruslan Chagaev - No
Alexander Dimitrenko - NO
Taras Bidenko - No
Andreas Sidon - No
Cengiz Koc - NO
Gene Pukall - NO HEAVYWEIGHT

Firat Arslan - YES
Alexander Petkovic - NO
Rüdiger May - NO
Pavel Melkomiian - NO CRUISER

DM - NO
Erdei - YES
Ulrich - NO
Drews - NO
Aurino - Possibly (fighting well, proven at European level)
Kurzawa LIGHT HEAVY

Beyer - YES
Veit - YES (benefit of doubt)
Stieglitz - NO
Häussler - NO
Inkin - NO
Tsypko - Not yet (quite)
Malik D. - NO
Brähmer (out of jail soon) SUPER MIDDLE

Sturm - YES
Abraham - YES
Schenk - NO
Gevor(gyan) - NO
Sylvester - NO
Dzemski - NO MIDDLE

I think that is 10.

J · Post by J » 25 Apr 2005, 09:00

BubiScholz wrote:i would say world class is top 15 WBO,WBA,WBC and IBF.

Heavy:V.KLitschko,W.KLitschko,Krasniqi,Sanders,Sam,Valuev,Hoffmann,Bidenko - Skelton 8-1

Cruiser: Petkovic,Melkomian,Arslan,May - Nelson,Enzo,Thompson,Hobson 4-4 (12-5 agg)

Light Heavy: DM,Erdei,Drews,Ulrich,Aurino - Woods,Michailenko 5-2 (17-7)

Super Middle: Veit,Beyer,Tsypko,Häussler,Stieglitz - Calzone,Reid,Magee 5-3 (22-10)

Middle: Sturm,Schenk,Abraham - Eastman 3-1 (25-11)

Sorry J, it´s just 25 No bias, just facts, what about an excuse?

so when you say top 10 what you mean is top 40 in the world.

4 orgs x top ten names.

no bias

utter rubbish. end of discussion.

its your opinion and you can keep it but if you honestly belive 25 of that lot are world class then you are quite deluded.

BubiScholz · Post by **BubiScholz** » 25 Apr 2005, 09:08

J wrote:
BubiScholz wrote:i would say world class is top 15 WBO,WBA,WBC and IBF.

Heavy:V.KLitschko,W.KLitschko,Krasniqi,Sanders,Sam,Valuev,Hoffmann,Bidenko - Skelton 8-1

Cruiser: Petkovic,Melkomian,Arslan,May - Nelson,Enzo,Thompson,Hobson 4-4 (12-5 agg)

Light Heavy: DM,Erdei,Drews,Ulrich,Aurino - Woods,Michailenko 5-2 (17-7)

Super Middle: Veit,Beyer,Tsypko,Häussler,Stieglitz - Calzone,Reid,Magee 5-3 (22-10)

Middle: Sturm,Schenk,Abraham - Eastman 3-1 (25-11)

Sorry J, it´s just 25 No bias, just facts, what about an excuse?
so when you say top 10 what you mean is top 40 in the world.

4 orgs x top ten names.

no bias utter rubbish. end of discussion.

its your opinion and you can keep it but if you honestly belive 25 of that lot are world class then you are quite deluded.

i know you guys here hate facts, but if a boxer is under the top 15 in one of the 4 top sanctining bodies, he is world class. BTW i took the same measure for british and british signed boxers. so what do you want? you just have less. what´s the problem to say that i was right. we have the most world class boxers in Europe. everybody in the world would say that. maybe only Don King and Bob Arum have better boxers........

J · Post by J » 25 Apr 2005, 09:14

IM INTERESTED IN FACTS NOT BULLSHIT RANKINGS YOU ANNOYING SOD!

samuel kedebe was ranked one by the WBO dont make him world class does it. Otherwise why not go the whole hog and invirte the WBF, IBO, WBU WBF in as well. Jesus we all know rankings mean sweet fa most of the time.

You may well have more world class boxers thats not what im arguing . what I am arguing is that you talk a load of biased bollocks at times. Such as and I quote 30 of these boxers are world class.

world class what? chess players? cos 30 out of that lot sure aint world class boxers.

if you want have a chat about such matters thats fine but if you wish to use rankings as and when you feel the need then go talk to someone else.

World class means world class not cos some prick at a governing body has been lobbeyed by fair means or foul to put a fighter in his top ten.

the fact that no one else apart from you can even get half your magic figure should tell you something.

hoffman world class my arsole

BubiScholz · Post by **BubiScholz** » 25 Apr 2005, 09:22

so what is world class? the fightnews top 16, or boxrec top 15? sorry maybe i am the bigest asshole here but the only one who takes care about the only rankings we have in boxing. maybe it´s also subjective but it´s a world ranking.

anyway, i only wanted to show that here in Germany are the most world class boxers you can find in Europe. And no matter what "ranking" you will use. this will be a matter of fact. o.k. this fact is not liked here, so all rankings are doubted. funny.

"Ich habe fertig" , once Giovanni Trapattoni said.

Bubi says: "No more words"

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 25 Apr 2005, 09:27

World class for me, is some who has proven enough that he can realistically win a world title with one of the four major governing bodies. For me, the only other "world" class fighters (who might not be able to win the world title) are EBU champs - but they must be outstanding ones - for example, Thomas Ulrich has proven himself to be not world class with his struggle vs Matthew Barney. I'm not shown British bias as I would place Nicky Cook in a similar bracket currently.

It might go beyond the top ten in some weight devisions in some devision (like Heavy), in others it might be all of the top ten.

J · Post by J » 25 Apr 2005, 09:32

BubiScholz wrote:so what is world class? the fightnews top 16, or boxrec top 15? sorry maybe i am the bigest asshole here but the only one who takes care about the only rankings we have in boxing. maybe it´s also subjective but it´s a world ranking.

anyway, i only wanted to show that here in Germany are the most world class boxers you can find in Europe. And no matter what "ranking" you will use. this will be a matter of fact. o.k. this fact is not liked here, so all rankings are doubted. funny.

"Ich habe fertig" , once Giovanni Trapattoni said.

Bubi says: "No more words"

no its whom i deem in my opinion to be top ten. Whose else's shoudl i give?

thats half the fun bubster in these discussions mate. I wasnt getting angry just animated mate! To be honest id rather you had said cos I think they are world top ten not cos you get the german fighters who are ranked by the governing bodies!!! (On the negative side you lost a bit of credibility there but on the postive i rate your opinion more than the giverning bodies, its a double edged sword

)

Some of those guys are definately world class and from middle to heavy germany undoubtedly has more world class boxers. Just not as many as you think bro. Thats ok, shit happens mate.

happy now?

BubiScholz · Post by **BubiScholz** » 25 Apr 2005, 09:56

J wrote:
BubiScholz wrote:so what is world class? the fightnews top 16, or boxrec top 15? sorry maybe i am the bigest asshole here but the only one who takes care about the only rankings we have in boxing. maybe it´s also subjective but it´s a world ranking.

anyway, i only wanted to show that here in Germany are the most world class boxers you can find in Europe. And no matter what "ranking" you will use. this will be a matter of fact. o.k. this fact is not liked here, so all rankings are doubted. funny.

"Ich habe fertig" , once Giovanni Trapattoni said.

Bubi says: "No more words"
no its whom i deem in my opinion to be top ten. Whose else's shoudl i give?

thats half the fun bubster in these discussions mate. I wasnt getting angry just animated mate! To be honest id rather you had said cos I think they are world top ten not cos you get the german fighters who are ranked by the governing bodies!!! (On the negative side you lost a bit of credibility there but on the postive i rate your opinion more than the giverning bodies, its a double edged sword )

Some of those guys are definately world class and from middle to heavy germany undoubtedly has more world class boxers. Just not as many as you think bro. Thats ok, shit happens mate.

happy now?

no i am not happy. i am pissed. you could take every "ranking" from heavy to straw and there would be more german based than british based fighters on it. but believe me i wouldn´t have any problem if it would be the other way round. from the beginning of professional boxing up to the year 2000 Britain was of course ahead in Europe.

Anyway this is my last post for a while. I have to put in too much energy in order get recognised. It´s better to put that energy in other things.

Maybe there will be once a "German/European Scene"-Forum on here. I would even make a moderators job on there. If any of the editors are interested, don´t hesitate to PM me. This is of course a British forum and should be. I enjoyed posting there because there is no German/European forum and because the Current Scene has not such a high level. I want to thank J, knockout, jameswilson, Kilburn, Jamesmcdonnell, stujones, bennie and all the other great posters here. You know your boxing and I learned a lot of you guys.

It would be a pleasure to meet some guys of you in London or Manchester soon. Roll On June!!!!

knockout · Post by **knockout** » 25 Apr 2005, 09:58

Bubi.. after all the arguments on here i cannot believe this little but of banter has pissed you off so much.......

come on dude..... it wont be the same without your input

kevo · Post by **kevo** » 25 Apr 2005, 10:09

Sei keine gekränkte Leberwurst!

BubiScholz · Post by **BubiScholz** » 25 Apr 2005, 10:15

Kevo wrote:Sei keine gekränkte Leberwurst!

Das heißt: "beleidigte Leberwurst"

But this is not the case and it is not because of this thread. I just can´t hear it anymore. I need some distance. I am watching out for a german forum.

J · Post by J » 25 Apr 2005, 10:16

BubiScholz wrote:
J wrote:
BubiScholz wrote:so what is world class? the fightnews top 16, or boxrec top 15? sorry maybe i am the bigest asshole here but the only one who takes care about the only rankings we have in boxing. maybe it´s also subjective but it´s a world ranking.

anyway, i only wanted to show that here in Germany are the most world class boxers you can find in Europe. And no matter what "ranking" you will use. this will be a matter of fact. o.k. this fact is not liked here, so all rankings are doubted. funny.

"Ich habe fertig" , once Giovanni Trapattoni said.

Bubi says: "No more words"

no its whom i deem in my opinion to be top ten. Whose else's shoudl i give?

thats half the fun bubster in these discussions mate. I wasnt getting angry just animated mate! To be honest id rather you had said cos I think they are world top ten not cos you get the german fighters who are ranked by the governing bodies!!! (On the negative side you lost a bit of credibility there but on the postive i rate your opinion more than the giverning bodies, its a double edged sword )

Some of those guys are definately world class and from middle to heavy germany undoubtedly has more world class boxers. Just not as many as you think bro. Thats ok, shit happens mate.

happy now?
no i am not happy. i am pissed. you could take every "ranking" from heavy to straw and there would be more german based than british based fighters on it. but believe me i wouldn´t have any problem if it would be the other way round. from the beginning of professional boxing up to the year 2000 Britain was of course ahead in Europe.

Anyway this is my last post for a while. I have to put in too much energy in order get recognised. It´s better to put that energy in other things.

Maybe there will be once a "German/European Scene"-Forum on here. I would even make a moderators job on there. If any of the editors are interested, don´t hesitate to PM me. This is of course a British forum and should be. I enjoyed posting there because there is no German/European forum and because the Current Scene has not such a high level. I want to thank J, knockout, jameswilson, Kilburn, Jamesmcdonnell, stujones, bennie and all the other great posters here. You know your boxing and I learned a lot of you guys.

It would be a pleasure to meet some guys of you in London or Manchester soon. Roll On June!!!!

dont be such an baby dude, no on was having a major go at you.
you seem to think this is about germany having more world ranked fighters, I dont care, what I do care about mate, is being told fighters such as hoffman are world class, sorry if you dont like that but I dont fornicating agree.
However thats ok, i disagree with james, ian, david, kil virtually everyone who has posted on here ive disagreed with or vice versa, dont understand where this hissy fit has come from.

you on a wind up?

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 25 Apr 2005, 10:39

On the subject of ITV, yes they are in trouble. But I think the same goes for all the terrestrial TV channels. Reality TV and Celebrity TV is all they seem to be putting out at the moment, I cant stand any of it myself its total shite.

Its just a total lack of imaginiation from TV execs, find a format that works then rinse the fornicating shite out of it. Antique shows, Property shows, Reality shows all caned to fornicate.

The BBC are just as bad, worse perhaps as I have to pay over £100 a year for a TV licence whether I watch their garbage or not. A scrapping of that fee is long overdue.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 25 Apr 2005, 10:53

In fact that is one argument against scrapping the license fee. The commercialisation of TV has led to a proliferation of channels all apeing one another.

Do a little experiment. If you have cable or sattelite TV, whenever you turn it on, go to the four main channels first. Within 10 minutes chances are you will find something worth watching.

Now try just general channel surfing. You end up spending most of the night desperately trying to find something to watch and driving yourself made flicking around.

'choice' is an overated concept. I've got over 900 channels, however at any one time, over 890 of them are showing utter bollocks.

BBC2, and Channel 4 are without any doubt the best general service channels. National Geographic and Discovery are good, but just how many variations of 'Uncovered Monkey-Crocodile Nazi gold Horde of the Nile part 8" can you stand?

REAL_DEAL · Post by **REAL_DEAL** » 25 Apr 2005, 11:01

ITV used to get millions back in the day. 15+ for benn - euabnk and recently woods - johnson got 2 not bad 4 fighters who arent really known.

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 25 Apr 2005, 12:23

REAL_DEAL wrote:ITV used to get millions back in the day. 15+ for benn - euabnk and recently woods - johnson got 2 not bad 4 fighters who arent really known.

True, but that was before the explosion of satellite TV. They could never get viewing figures like that now. Back then it was 3 or 4 channels.

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 25 Apr 2005, 12:24

jamesmcdonnell wrote:In fact that is one argument against scrapping the license fee. The commercialisation of TV has led to a proliferation of channels all apeing one another.

Do a little experiment. If you have cable or sattelite TV, whenever you turn it on, go to the four main channels first. Within 10 minutes chances are you will find something worth watching.

Now try just general channel surfing. You end up spending most of the night desperately trying to find something to watch and driving yourself made flicking around.

'choice' is an overated concept. I've got over 900 channels, however at any one time, over 890 of them are showing utter bollocks.

BBC2, and Channel 4 are without any doubt the best general service channels. National Geographic and Discovery are good, but just how many variations of 'Uncovered Monkey-Crocodile Nazi gold Horde of the Nile part 8" can you stand?

I'd rather watch a million repeats on Discovery back to back than 1 reality TV show.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 25 Apr 2005, 13:11

Channels 2 and 4 aren't stuffed full of reality TV.

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 25 Apr 2005, 13:25

Channel 4 started it all with Big Brother and its offshoots!!

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 25 Apr 2005, 14:54

Yes, fair point I guess...