Syntax Error wrote:I think Sugar Ray would have been quite a bit stronger.
Have you seen the size of his biceps? Add in the fact that he successfully fought up to Super Middleweight must prove that he would have been stronger than Pryor.
So by what your saying, since he fought at super middleweight it proves he was stronger?
If so that statement is just plain stupid.
Roy Jones fought at super middleweight, do you think that he's stronger than Marvin hagler?
And please don't bring bicep size into this, even if his puny looking biceps were bigger than Aaron's that has nothing to do with being stronger than him.
By bringing up biceps into the strength subject do you think that Winky Wright could out muscle Trinidad seing that his biceps were bigger?
I do not think so.
My statement is only plain stupid in your opinion, which really doesn't count for anything.
There is a direct correlation between muscle size & strength. Leonard, successfully campaigned at higher weights, thus indicating that in all probability, he would have been stronger than Pryor, who was only ever a 140lb fighter & a small one at that.
Could you seriously see Pryor jumping up 2 or 3 weight divisions successfully?
Syntax Error wrote:I think Sugar Ray would have been quite a bit stronger.
Have you seen the size of his biceps? Add in the fact that he successfully fought up to Super Middleweight must prove that he would have been stronger than Pryor.
So by what your saying, since he fought at super middleweight it proves he was stronger?
If so that statement is just plain stupid.
Roy Jones fought at super middleweight, do you think that he's stronger than Marvin hagler?
And please don't bring bicep size into this, even if his puny looking biceps were bigger than Aaron's that has nothing to do with being stronger than him.
By bringing up biceps into the strength subject do you think that Winky Wright could out muscle Trinidad seing that his biceps were bigger?
I do not think so.
My statement is only plain stupid in your opinion, which really doesn't count for anything.
There is a direct correlation between muscle size & strength. Leonard, successfully campaigned at higher weights, thus indicating that in all probability, he would have been stronger than Pryor, who was only ever a 140lb fighter & a small one at that.
Could you seriously see Pryor jumping up 2 or 3 weight divisions successfully?
Pryor would only have to move up 1 weight division and Leonard would only weigh more than Pryor because he had 4 inches on him. If they were both 144 then Pryor's muscle would be much more sufficient than Leonard's.
Come on man, this is obvious shit.
So by what your saying, since he fought at super middleweight it proves he was stronger?
If so that statement is just plain stupid.
Roy Jones fought at super middleweight, do you think that he's stronger than Marvin hagler?
And please don't bring bicep size into this, even if his puny looking biceps were bigger than Aaron's that has nothing to do with being stronger than him.
By bringing up biceps into the strength subject do you think that Winky Wright could out muscle Trinidad seing that his biceps were bigger?
I do not think so.
My statement is only plain stupid in your opinion, which really doesn't count for anything.
There is a direct correlation between muscle size & strength. Leonard, successfully campaigned at higher weights, thus indicating that in all probability, he would have been stronger than Pryor, who was only ever a 140lb fighter & a small one at that.
Could you seriously see Pryor jumping up 2 or 3 weight divisions successfully?
Pryor would only have to move up 1 weight division and Leonard would only weigh more than Pryor because he had 4 inches on him. If they were both 144 then Pryor's muscle would be much more sufficient than Leonard's.
Come on man, this is obvious shit.
The obvious shit is that they would never fight at 144! its a fairytale!.... Leonard was much the naturally bigger man and Pryor was a natural Lightweight and would have found Leonard too big!.
If you don't think Leonard was strong look at the way he out musceled fighters such as Hearns and Hagler, look at how he pushes Hagler away in their fight!.... as the bigger man Leonard was definately stronger than Pryor.
Syntax Error wrote:
My statement is only plain stupid in your opinion, which really doesn't count for anything.
There is a direct correlation between muscle size & strength. Leonard, successfully campaigned at higher weights, thus indicating that in all probability, he would have been stronger than Pryor, who was only ever a 140lb fighter & a small one at that.
Could you seriously see Pryor jumping up 2 or 3 weight divisions successfully?
Pryor would only have to move up 1 weight division and Leonard would only weigh more than Pryor because he had 4 inches on him. If they were both 144 then Pryor's muscle would be much more sufficient than Leonard's.
Come on man, this is obvious shit.
The obvious shit is that they would never fight at 144! its a fairytale!.... Leonard was much the naturally bigger man and Pryor was a natural Lightweight and would have found Leonard too big!.
If you don't think Leonard was strong look at the way he out musceled fighters such as Hearns and Hagler, look at how he pushes Hagler away in their fight!.... as the bigger man Leonard was definately stronger than Pryor.
Thankyou for clarifying my point.
Leonard is naturally bigger than Pryor & he is a strong guy. The Hagler fight like you say, proved that.
The fact that Leonard was able to rise in weight & mix it with bigger guys proves that we would have been stronger naturally than a Pryor who I believe would not have been able to do what Leonard did.
Leonard is naturally bigger than Pryor & he is a strong guy. The Hagler fight like you say, proved that.
The fact that Leonard was able to rise in weight & mix it with bigger guys proves that we would have been stronger naturally than a Pryor who I believe would not have been able to do what Leonard did.
Leonard rising in weight is irrelevant.
I said 144 pounds so what ever weight he rose to did not happen.
Pryor would be much much stronger than Leonard at 144.
It's a pointless argument, Leonard would never ever have conceded to meet Pryor at 144, he would have insisted it was a Welterweight, and then he would have kicked Pryors arse.
Annoying as Leonard could be, he was a great great fighter, he really was one of those rarities who had the full package, natural athleticism, strength, skills, intelligence, toughness and heart. He was as close to sugar ray as we saw in our era.
Syntax Error wrote:I think Sugar Ray would have been quite a bit stronger.
Have you seen the size of his biceps? Add in the fact that he successfully fought up to Super Middleweight must prove that he would have been stronger than Pryor.
Ray Leonard may not have been muscular, but he knew how to use his strength. He was in with Hearns, Hagler and Duran, all rough and tumble strong men, and he held his own with all of them.
Oh, and depending on your definition of strength, I would say Roy Jones was probably stronger than Hagler. Jones Jr was destroying everyone on the way up through middleweight.
jamesmcdonnell wrote:It's a pointless argument, Leonard would never ever have conceded to meet Pryor at 144, he would have insisted it was a Welterweight, and then he would have kicked Pryors arse.
Annoying as Leonard could be, he was a great great fighter, he really was one of those rarities who had the full package, natural athleticism, strength, skills, intelligence, toughness and heart. He was as close to sugar ray as we saw in our era.
jamesmcdonnell wrote:It's a pointless argument, Leonard would never ever have conceded to meet Pryor at 144, he would have insisted it was a Welterweight, and then he would have kicked Pryors arse.
Annoying as Leonard could be, he was a great great fighter, he really was one of those rarities who had the full package, natural athleticism, strength, skills, intelligence, toughness and heart. He was as close to sugar ray as we saw in our era.
That my friend is why it is a FANTASY FIGHT.
But Fantasy fights should have some basis in reality otherwise they are just not worthwhile debating... you may have well have said who would win out of Pryor vs Mike Spinks at 160!.
jamesmcdonnell wrote:It's a pointless argument, Leonard would never ever have conceded to meet Pryor at 144, he would have insisted it was a Welterweight, and then he would have kicked Pryors arse.
Annoying as Leonard could be, he was a great great fighter, he really was one of those rarities who had the full package, natural athleticism, strength, skills, intelligence, toughness and heart. He was as close to sugar ray as we saw in our era.
That my friend is why it is a FANTASY FIGHT.
But Fantasy fights should have some basis in reality otherwise they are just not worthwhile debating... you may have well have said who would win out of Pryor vs Mike Spinks at 160!.
I suppose it's not beyond the realms of possibilty that Leonard would have agreed to weigh-in at 144. The point is, the weigh-in would have been 24-48 hrs before the fight & Leonard would have probably weighed about 154 at fight time & that would have been too much for a small fighter like Pryor to cope with.
Grimm wrote:
That my friend is why it is a FANTASY FIGHT.
But Fantasy fights should have some basis in reality otherwise they are just not worthwhile debating... you may have well have said who would win out of Pryor vs Mike Spinks at 160!.
I suppose it's not beyond the realms of possibilty that Leonard would have agreed to weigh-in at 144. The point is, the weigh-in would have been 24-48 hrs before the fight & Leonard would have probably weighed about 154 at fight time & that would have been too much for a small fighter like Pryor to cope with.
I thought that in the early 1980's USA fighters weighed in on the same day as the fight?
silkov wrote:
But Fantasy fights should have some basis in reality otherwise they are just not worthwhile debating... you may have well have said who would win out of Pryor vs Mike Spinks at 160!.
I suppose it's not beyond the realms of possibilty that Leonard would have agreed to weigh-in at 144. The point is, the weigh-in would have been 24-48 hrs before the fight & Leonard would have probably weighed about 154 at fight time & that would have been too much for a small fighter like Pryor to cope with.
I thought that in the early 1980's USA fighters weighed in on the same day as the fight?
Syntax Error wrote:
I suppose it's not beyond the realms of possibilty that Leonard would have agreed to weigh-in at 144. The point is, the weigh-in would have been 24-48 hrs before the fight & Leonard would have probably weighed about 154 at fight time & that would have been too much for a small fighter like Pryor to cope with.
I thought that in the early 1980's USA fighters weighed in on the same day as the fight?
You're right, my mistake.
I'm applying 2005 rules to 1980's fights!!!!
Now that all this shit is clear. Do you think that Ray Leonard would be too strong for Pryor at 144?
Not forgetting that Leonard has weighed as low as 141 before fights.
Since when did Leonard weigh as low as 141???..... certainly not after '78... the lightest he weighed for any of his world welterweight title fights was 146!... he was always a big welter once he'd matured as a pro.
Now that all this shit is clear. Do you think that Ray Leonard would be too strong for Pryor at 144?
Not forgetting that Leonard has weighed as low as 141 before fights.
Yes.
Like when for instance???.... he certainly didn't weigh 141 for any of his title fights and if you are talking about Leonard of early pre title years then it is not a peak Leonard!.
Really Grimm have you even seen Leonard fight??...... I doubt it!... 8)
