BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:its funny how these "class of 2005" "kids" are only on ur case, and seem to gget along with other users.
...Ah-huh, right...
sweet scientist do u hate kids????
As in all age brackets, there's good and bad...I don't hate people for arguing their points...Did I ever say I hated you?
...You bring in issues of 'respect' and 'boxing knowledge'...as in "When I'm 60, I'll have more boxing knowledge than you ever had.", like you mentioned in another thread...
While the 1970s may have been the best era in heavyweight history I would argue that Ali was from the same era as the other great 70s heavyweights since like Ali, the other top heavyweights of the era were born in the 1940s (except for Joe Bugner). Additionally, many of the top heavyweights of the era were already fighting professionally in the 1960s and some of them such as Joe Frazier were fighting before Ali's 3 1/2 year absence from boxing.
Cap wrote:I always thought Norton won that fight with Holmes. He was just unlucky when it came to judges. Holmes probably should have got the decision in the first fight with Spinks, but Mike was a blown-up light heavyweight and should've never lasted the distance. Holmes can't be blamed for fighting a lot of class B heavies. He did show poorly against Witherspoon and Snipes, though, and likely should have taken a fight with Coetzee.
Cap
I sat ringside at the Snipes fight, other than the surprise 7th round knockdown, I don't consider it a 'poor showing'...That's why Larry never got recognition...he had all those 'poor showings' that really weren't 'poor showings'...He would have beaten Coetzee and Greg Page...others alway say he ducked Greg Page...Page lost to Berbick on the undercard of the Cooney fight...all he had to do was win and he would have fought Larry next...Coetzee lost to John Tate, who lost to Weaver...who fought Larry...wasn't it something like that why he didn't fight Coetzee? I was never impressed with Coetzee anyway...Greg Page might have been a good fight...for a while...
At the time of the Berbick fight, Page was the undisputed #3 contender, having asked the WBA to drop his ranking before the fight with Jimmy Young from 2 to 3 due to the fact he felt he wasn't ready for a title shot.However, he would've beaten Holmes at the time he was the mandatory.Holmes was a great fighter, very underrated due to the times he was fighting in and the contenders at that time, but he did duck Page, Witherspoon, and Thomas, though I truthfully don't know about him ducking Coetzee.
Someone claiming Page could defeat Holmes at that time? This will get heated, there are some devout Holmes supporters who will get very upset at hearing this. Someone will bring up the fact that Ali and Page were similar in style and if he could beat the master how could the student possibly do any better?
Be afraid be very afraid, the Holmes crew is not a group you want to upset or stress in any way. I did it once and they banished me to boxingmonger.com for a week.
By the way I would love to have seen that fight or a fight between Page and Dokes. But I'm afraid in this scenario I would think Page would be quite the underdog. Perhaps a potential second Cinderella? I'm not so sure about that.
