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Posted: **06 Oct 2005, 19:30**

I think Braddock would lose to Schmelling by KO. I think Braddock is good but slightly overrated by what if's. Braddock does stand a chance though and the fight would be competitive, but I just think Schmelling would win against Braddock more times than not.

Posted: **06 Oct 2005, 21:35**

i keep going back and forth on this fight and i cant stay comfortable with any damn decision i make....

Braddock had just ocme off the biggest fight of his like, and BEAT the depression... he overcame the hardest obstacles and the worse odds of any champ ever... there was no man on that universe that would have beaten JJB for that heavyweight crown on june 13 1935. that my opinion, but braddock took some of the hardest shots baer had ever dished out, and he kept on charging and fighting his heart out. I think that if the fight is fought 1936.. braddock is still going to have this fire in his belly.. the desire to feed his family and secure the future of his loved ones... its not the same as the baer fight imo, and that is the problem..

i beleive that if schmelling is given this fight and it is fought in 1936, then the louis-schmelling fight never happens.. so schmelling would be coming off his win with paulo uzcudan? i beleive... theres a differnce in confidence and moral there, as the louis fight was the greatest of his career...

The reporters at braddock's pre-louis camp, said braddock looked to be in the best shape he had ever been in, they said he was landing his punches, and dodgeing the sparring punches by an inch, it was somethign he worked on before the fight, missing just enough to not get hit, so that he could strike back quick..(guess that didnt work.. but i think that had moer to do with louis then it did with braddock strategy..

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part of where braddock foudn the inspiration to beat baer, came from baers harsh words and often insulting words, calling braddock a bum and a joke... well if thats the case then schmelling would get it worse.. before the fight against baer, jjb was suppose to fight schmelling, but max refused to saying that braddock was below him and was not a worthy opponent... well jjb remembered that and it was part of the reason they never fought after the baer fight i beleive... well enough with the nonesense..on to the fight...

I think schmelling comes out strong and hard...he wants to prove how muhc better he is and how he could whip jjb..but braddock was a smart fighter with a great chin... i think schmelling jumps out to an early lead, probly winning the first 4 rounds or so, but i think jjb starts to turn it around as schmelling tires.. i think braddock slowly starts piling up rounds, and pulls even with maxie late in the fight.. now i know braddock will be standing at the end of the fight, that to me is not in question, but will schmelling...

i think schmelling starts to get his second wind in the late rounds, and starts to get back to form...

now here is where im split... the championship rounds.... 12-15.. WHAT HAPPENS.. i have 2 different endings that i havent been able to pick from..

ending A- schmelling wins the next 3 rounds, braddock makes a comeback but its to late and schmelling wins by UD.

ending B- schmelling has used it all up and after he wins the next couple of rounds, braddock catches his with that right uppercut of his.. schmelling KO in 14 rounds... and he is ahead on the cards..

I beleive that one outstanding problem with this fight was the arthritis in braddocks right hand.. he had incredible arthritis, and a colliflour ear... (the depression didnt leave him totally undamaged..) this was one of the large problems that braddock had against louis.. he never complained about it once, which is one of the reasons that it is not well known.. now it all depends when jjb arthritis took a turn for the worse.. keep in mind the schmelling fight would have been a year earlier then the louis fight.. so if jjb comes into the fight with that numbed hand due to the arthritis, then i see schmelling KO a struggling jjb in 11.. mainly because he would simply not be the same fighter.....

that my friends is my answer.. my heart leans toward ending B, but my mind is not sure.. you guys debate.

Posted: **07 Oct 2005, 00:23**

Rory McCloskey wrote:
i beleive that if schmelling is given this fight and it is fought in 1936, then the louis-schmelling fight never happens..

Why that ? Schmeling earned the Braddock fight after he knocked out Joe Louis.... Schmeling vs Louis was a title-elimination-bout !

and for your fight analysis... you seem to know a lot of Braddock but less about Max... who was never a quick starter ! Schmeling analysed his opponent in the first four rounds before starting serious attacks.

i think if Braddock would have thought he could beat Maxie he would have tried it.

Posted: **07 Oct 2005, 21:45**

Friedie wrote:
Rory McCloskey wrote:
i beleive that if schmelling is given this fight and it is fought in 1936, then the louis-schmelling fight never happens..
Why that ? Schmeling earned the Braddock fight after he knocked out Joe Louis.... Schmeling vs Louis was a title-elimination-bout !

and for your fight analysis... you seem to know a lot of Braddock but less about Max... who was never a quick starter ! Schmeling analysed his opponent in the first four rounds before starting serious attacks.

i think if Braddock would have thought he could beat Maxie he would have tried it.

well first off.. we are talking abotu the fight being held in 1936, forgetting abotu the louis fight, and since the louis fight was held in june, that would probly not be enough tiem to have another fight..

and braddock never would have fought this fight for several reasons....

A) Louis was more of an attraction.
b) negotiations were going nowhere
c)braddock didnt wanna send the title out of USA
d)schmelling personally insulted braddock before his fight with baer
e) louis- 10% of jacob's purses for the next decade...

and one more thing...do u think that braddock would have thought hed have a better chance of winning against schmelling that joe louis?? louis might have lost, but he was still the most feared fighter around.. braddock was pretty sure that his first title defense would be his last.. arthritis and colliflour ear, as well as being worn down, he just was to beaten up he didnt have what it took to beat louis.

Posted: **08 Oct 2005, 03:56**

well first off.. we are talking abotu the fight being held in 1936, forgetting abotu the louis fight, and since the louis fight was held in june, that would probly not be enough tiem to have another fight..

the Braddock vs Schmeling titlefight was planned to be held in September '36, than postponed to June 1937. there was definitly enough time.

and braddock never would have fought this fight for several reasons....

A) Louis was more of an attraction.

not in September '36 i think ...he just got knocked out.

c)braddock didnt wanna send the title out of USA

there you see his confidence of beating Schmeling, i think he know he couldn't do that.... ;)

d)schmelling personally insulted braddock before his fight with baer

if it'true (i found no evidence for that, and it would be very untypicall for Max to do such thing) i see no reason for Braddock not to fight him. if every insultation between boxers would have that effect we would not see fights many fights.

and one more thing...do u think that braddock would have thought hed have a better chance of winning against schmelling that joe louis?? louis might have lost, but he was still the most feared fighter around.. braddock was pretty sure that his first title defense would be his last.. arthritis and colliflour ear, as well as being worn down, he just was to beaten up he didnt have what it took to beat louis.

i agree completly... but you can add that Braddock knew that he didn't have what it took to beat Max Schmeling (with one "l") as well.

Posted: **08 Oct 2005, 04:01**

Friedie wrote:well first off.. we are talking abotu the fight being held in 1936, forgetting abotu the louis fight, and since the louis fight was held in june, that would probly not be enough tiem to have another fight..

"Who would have won if Braddock and Schmeling fought in late 1936 or early 1937?" that was the start-question of this thread...
the Braddock vs Schmeling titlefight was planned to be held in September '36, than postponed to June 1937. there was definitly enough time.

and braddock never would have fought this fight for several reasons....

A) Louis was more of an attraction.

not in September '36 i think ...he just got knocked out.

c)braddock didnt wanna send the title out of USA

there you see his confidence of beating Schmeling, i think he know he couldn't do that.... ;)

d)schmelling personally insulted braddock before his fight with baer

if it'true (i found no evidence for that, and it would be very untypicall for Max to do such thing) i see no reason for Braddock not to fight him. if every insultation between boxers would have that effect we would not see fights many fights.

and one more thing...do u think that braddock would have thought hed have a better chance of winning against schmelling that joe louis?? louis might have lost, but he was still the most feared fighter around.. braddock was pretty sure that his first title defense would be his last.. arthritis and colliflour ear, as well as being worn down, he just was to beaten up he didnt have what it took to beat louis.

i agree completly... but you can add that Braddock knew that he didn't have what it took to beat Max Schmeling (with one "l") as well.

Posted: **08 Oct 2005, 11:23**

A) Louis was more of an attraction.

not in September '36 i think ...he just got knocked out.

c)braddock didnt wanna send the title out of USA

there you see his confidence of beating Schmeling, i think he know he couldn't do that....

i understand what your saying, but in AMERICA were this fight would have been held, joe louis was 100000X more poopular then max schmelling..

and im 100% confident that braddock didnt fight schmelling because he didnt want to give the belt to germany because thers no guessing how long the nazi's could have held it...and i know that most fighters insulted others, but i guess braddock thought it to be more personal, there is some info on it on east side boxing so i can confirm it i will post that up asap.

Posted: **08 Oct 2005, 13:34**

Rory McCloskey wrote:A) Louis was more of an attraction.

not in September '36 i think ...he just got knocked out.

c)braddock didnt wanna send the title out of USA

there you see his confidence of beating Schmeling, i think he know he couldn't do that....

i understand what your saying, but in AMERICA were this fight would have been held, joe louis was 100000X more poopular then max schmelling..

and im 100% confident that braddock didnt fight schmelling because he didnt want to give the belt to germany because thers no guessing how long the nazi's could have held it...and i know that most fighters insulted others, but i guess braddock thought it to be more personal, there is some info on it on east side boxing so i can confirm it i will post that up asap.

1st ...there were plans to held the fight in Germany too.

2nd ....Max was quite an attraction and after his victory over Louis even the U.S.-Senat was celebrating it !

and 3rd please accept it is Max S C H M E L I N G not Schmelling.

Posted: **08 Oct 2005, 13:37**

Rory McCloskey wrote:A) Louis was more of an attraction.

not in September '36 i think ...he just got knocked out.

c)braddock didnt wanna send the title out of USA

there you see his confidence of beating Schmeling, i think he know he couldn't do that....

i understand what your saying, but in AMERICA were this fight would have been held, joe louis was 100000X more poopular then max schmelling..

and im 100% confident that braddock didnt fight schmelling because he didnt want to give the belt to germany because thers no guessing how long the nazi's could have held it...and i know that most fighters insulted others, but i guess braddock thought it to be more personal, there is some info on it on east side boxing so i can confirm it i will post that up asap.

1st ...there were plans to held the fight in Germany too.

2nd ....Max was quite an attraction and after his victory over Louis even the U.S.-Senat was celebrating it ! i don't see a 100000x popularity difference there..... and we talk about the Heavyweight Championship of the World not of America.....

and 3rd please accept it is Max S C H M E L I N G not Schmelling.

Posted: **08 Oct 2005, 13:50**

a) schmeling
b)braddock was not going to fight in germany and if it came down to it, max would have came here before jimmy went there.
c)max schmelling was hated.. americans saw him as a nazi, and they did not welcome him at all...with the fight most likely being held in a major US city, every black person at the fight would be rooting for louis.

Posted: **08 Oct 2005, 19:11**

Rory McCloskey wrote:
max schmelling was hated.. americans saw him as a nazi, and they did not welcome him at all...with the fight most likely being held in a major US city, every black person at the fight would be rooting for louis.

sorry but i think that's wrong for 1936. Max had a quite good reputation by then. ...for 1938 you are right of cause. and it is still S C H M E L I N G with one "l".

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