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I would guess that you have really not seen much of Hamed, or any of the opponents that he has fought, but why don't you go through his record and look at the number of people that were knocked out for the first time by Hamed. He had one bad night in his career against one of the best fighters in the world and that is what you base your opinion on...sorry but it takes a lot more than that!

The trouble with Hamed is that later in his career he got lazy and relied on trying for one punch koes rather than using combinations like he should have. He possibly could have koed Barrera if he had caught him right but Marco was in boxer mode that night. Hamed probably didn't chase Marco like he should have because he felt Barreras power himself and was wary of it.

silkov wrote:The trouble with Hamed is that later in his career he got lazy and relied on trying for one punch koes rather than using combinations like he should have. He possibly could have koed Barrera if he had caught him right but Marco was in boxer mode that night. Hamed probably didn't chase Marco like he should have because he felt Barreras power himself and was wary of it.

Exactly...

As the fight went on I kept thinking to myself Okay Naz is saving himself for a a final 2-3 round blitz in which he tries to KO MAB. He did nothing. I was very dissappointed. I expected more from Hamed than that. I thought that after the way he liked to talk that his self-pride would have kicked in. To be honest i think he allowed himself to be intimidated by the venue. In all of his ring entering shenanigans he looked stiff and up tight.

Losing is not the end of a career. Too many times these days one loss is treated with way too much emphasis. It's not losing but coming back from that loss mentally stronger than before.

Hamed couldn't do it. As a puncher he was capable but his failings as a fighter were emotional and not physical

Ezzard wrote:

silkov wrote:The trouble with Hamed is that later in his career he got lazy and relied on trying for one punch koes rather than using combinations like he should have. He possibly could have koed Barrera if he had caught him right but Marco was in boxer mode that night. Hamed probably didn't chase Marco like he should have because he felt Barreras power himself and was wary of it.

Exactly...

As the fight went on I kept thinking to myself Okay Naz is saving himself for a a final 2-3 round blitz in which he tries to KO MAB. He did nothing. I was very dissappointed. I expected more from Hamed than that. I thought that after the way he liked to talk that his self-pride would have kicked in. To be honest i think he allowed himself to be intimidated by the venue. In all of his ring entering shenanigans he looked stiff and up tight.

Losing is not the end of a career. Too many times these days one loss is treated with way too much emphasis. It's not losing but coming back from that loss mentally stronger than before.

Hamed couldn't do it. As a puncher he was capable but his failings as a fighter were emotional and not physical

In the end I think Hamed lost the desire and he certainly didn't have the desire to comeback. Another case of what can happen when a boxer reads too many of his press clippings.....

silkov wrote:

Ezzard wrote:

silkov wrote:The trouble with Hamed is that later in his career he got lazy and relied on trying for one punch koes rather than using combinations like he should have. He possibly could have koed Barrera if he had caught him right but Marco was in boxer mode that night. Hamed probably didn't chase Marco like he should have because he felt Barreras power himself and was wary of it.

Exactly...

As the fight went on I kept thinking to myself Okay Naz is saving himself for a a final 2-3 round blitz in which he tries to KO MAB. He did nothing. I was very dissappointed. I expected more from Hamed than that. I thought that after the way he liked to talk that his self-pride would have kicked in. To be honest i think he allowed himself to be intimidated by the venue. In all of his ring entering shenanigans he looked stiff and up tight.

Losing is not the end of a career. Too many times these days one loss is treated with way too much emphasis. It's not losing but coming back from that loss mentally stronger than before.

Hamed couldn't do it. As a puncher he was capable but his failings as a fighter were emotional and not physical

In the end I think Hamed lost the desire and he certainly didn't have the desire to comeback. Another case of what can happen when a boxer reads too many of his press clippings.....

Do you think this is a particularly British diesease (reading the press clippings)? Honeyghan looked like an exceptional champion. he had his hiccup against Vaca and then fought Starling. Lloyd's fight plan was so bad that night. It was as if he'd never seen Starling fight. He played right into his hands. Befroe the fight Tyson was waxing on about Honeyghan and it was as if Honeyghan believed all the pre-fight hype about himself.

McGuigan should have kept the title longer than he did too.

Ezzard wrote:

silkov wrote:

Ezzard wrote: Exactly...

As the fight went on I kept thinking to myself Okay Naz is saving himself for a a final 2-3 round blitz in which he tries to KO MAB. He did nothing. I was very dissappointed. I expected more from Hamed than that. I thought that after the way he liked to talk that his self-pride would have kicked in. To be honest i think he allowed himself to be intimidated by the venue. In all of his ring entering shenanigans he looked stiff and up tight.

Losing is not the end of a career. Too many times these days one loss is treated with way too much emphasis. It's not losing but coming back from that loss mentally stronger than before.

Hamed couldn't do it. As a puncher he was capable but his failings as a fighter were emotional and not physical

In the end I think Hamed lost the desire and he certainly didn't have the desire to comeback. Another case of what can happen when a boxer reads too many of his press clippings.....

Do you think this is a particularly British diesease (reading the press clippings)? Honeyghan looked like an exceptional champion. he had his hiccup against Vaca and then fought Starling. Lloyd's fight plan was so bad that night. It was as if he'd never seen Starling fight. He played right into his hands. Befroe the fight Tyson was waxing on about Honeyghan and it was as if Honeyghan believed all the pre-fight hype about himself.

McGuigan should have kept the title longer than he did too.

I think a lot of Honeys problems were connected to out the ring distractions and also his hand trouble. I agree he fought a crazy fight against Starling and he was never really the same fighter after that bout.

Sugar Ramos killed two men in the ring and would hurt welter weights in sparring sessions.

Someone accused someone on this forum of perhaps not having seen Hamed fight. Thats a stretch is there a single person on this forum that has not seen hamed fight? I thought everyone was tuning in for his dog and pony show.

I think he had some of the highest ratings on HBO.

BoxBuzz wrote:We keep bringing up Danny Lopez here as such a hard hitter. I liked him and watched his career and most of his fights and never really felt that way. I think he could bang no doubt in fact I think he and Hamed may be similar in that ability. So he was up there but just not with the rest of the names we are mentioning on this thread.

Did anyone here see his first fight with Octavio Gomez? I'm just curious, it is this fight that has somewhat defined Danny for me. And it puts him short of greatness just like Hamed falls short. IMVHO.

He did avenge it nicely. Maybe there is some history about this fight that someone is aware of . If so I'd like to hear more about it.

this is about the hardst hitters, not about the most skilled. Danny fell short in the defense department (As a fan who loves action and drama I say thank God for that!) His power and overall toughness made him a danger every second he was in the ring.

It has to be the great Sandy Saddler. At one time, he KO'd 15 fighters in a row. This guy could really hit.

Of my time watching boxing, I pick Danny Lopez. Yes, this guy could really hit. I did not like him, but boy, he had that hammer in that right hand. The other that comes to mind at 126lbs, is the great Alexis Arguello. I imagine a fight between these two. It would be a dream fight. I do not know why this fight never happened. They were both champions at almost at the same time frame: Arguello (1974-77) and Little Red (1976-80)

silkov wrote:

Ezzard wrote:

silkov wrote:The trouble with Hamed is that later in his career he got lazy and relied on trying for one punch koes rather than using combinations like he should have. He possibly could have koed Barrera if he had caught him right but Marco was in boxer mode that night. Hamed probably didn't chase Marco like he should have because he felt Barreras power himself and was wary of it.

Exactly...

As the fight went on I kept thinking to myself Okay Naz is saving himself for a a final 2-3 round blitz in which he tries to KO MAB. He did nothing. I was very dissappointed. I expected more from Hamed than that. I thought that after the way he liked to talk that his self-pride would have kicked in. To be honest i think he allowed himself to be intimidated by the venue. In all of his ring entering shenanigans he looked stiff and up tight.

Losing is not the end of a career. Too many times these days one loss is treated with way too much emphasis. It's not losing but coming back from that loss mentally stronger than before.

Hamed couldn't do it. As a puncher he was capable but his failings as a fighter were emotional and not physical

In the end I think Hamed lost the desire and he certainly didn't have the desire to comeback. Another case of what can happen when a boxer reads too many of his press clippings.....

As well as having many press clippings to read he also had about 10 million quid to spend, aged about 25. I think Fenech would have stopped Named.

Does no one rate Olivares as a featherweight hitter or did he leave his bombs at bantam?

Aurelio Herrera. Hands down.

walshb wrote:So why was it that when Naz finally met someone decent like MBA, he was totally useless. And MAB has been stopped previously. This myth of Wayne is fair enough. I know the guy had a granite chin as a Bantam and superbantam, but he moved to Feather to fight Naz and all the so called experts were saying how Naz hit like a Welter. I don't care how tough a chin is, if the stories of the Prince's power were to be believed, even Wayne would have been KO'd....he Ko'd bums most of his career. If he had of done this to any decent opposition apart from a washed up Kelley, I'd give him some praise.......

Hamed was past his best when he boxed MAB shame really the only fight people think of when they think of Naz

surf-bat wrote:Aurelio Herrera. Hands down.

I was gonna say the same, alongside Armstrong and some of the others mentioned.

Don't know if there's any film of him but going by his record George KO Chaney would have to be in there. 80 KOs in 100 wins.

LOL at the 10 year bump. Hamed BTW.

surf-bat wrote:Aurelio Herrera. Hands down.

Couldn't he punch with his hands up.... :)