BBC Sports Personality

Slapsie Maxie · Post by **Slapsie Maxie** » 06 Oct 2005, 07:35

I, on the other hand, am very grand indeed and see my love of boxing as a way to stay in touch with the ordinary folk

J · Post by J » 06 Oct 2005, 07:38

BunglesFingers · Post by **BunglesFingers** » 06 Oct 2005, 07:46

Have to disagree with the "cricket is for toffs" statement. I played it at school and so did most other schools in our borough. If we didn't have so much open space then maybe things would have been different, but none of the schools or cricket clubs had any 'toffs'. Tennis is the sport for rich kids.

I think that it says a lot for cricket when the tickets for the ashes were sold out within hours of going on sale across the whole country.

Flintoff deserves to win it this year and many of the England team actually have personalities, unlike the brain dead footballers. The ashes has made the summer one to remember.

Rooney can win the "teach kids to behave like pricks" award.

johnswan1 · Post by **johnswan1** » 06 Oct 2005, 07:50

Ah be quiet you toff!

hitman_hatton1 · Post by **hitman_hatton1** » 06 Oct 2005, 11:54

DavidPayne wrote:Freddie Flintoff for Sports Personality

Kevin Pieterson for Overseas Personality

Shane Warne for Overseas Personality really!

Team of the year ENGLAND Cricket team

Cricket will clean up.

Murray will win the youngster, unless Rooney is still eligable.

flintoff is a dead cert for this.

being a liverpool fan we deserve the nod for team of the year for winning the champions league.

no one thought we'd win it and we beat juventus, chelsea and milan to win the bloody thing.

england beat a past it aussie team to win the ashes and if it hadn't been for the weather would probably have lost that last test match.

states · Post by **states** » 06 Oct 2005, 11:59

Hitman, even as a fellow Liverpool fan, I'm going to have to disagree. England deserve the team honours.

J · Post by J » 06 Oct 2005, 12:01

hitman_hatton1 wrote:
DavidPayne wrote:Freddie Flintoff for Sports Personality

Kevin Pieterson for Overseas Personality

Shane Warne for Overseas Personality really!

Team of the year ENGLAND Cricket team

Cricket will clean up.

Murray will win the youngster, unless Rooney is still eligable.
flintoff is a dead cert for this.

being a liverpool fan we deserve the nod for team of the year for winning the champions league. no one thought we'd win it and we beat juventus, chelsea and milan to win the bloody thing.

england beat a past it aussie team to win the ashes and if it hadn't been for the weather would probably have lost that last test match.

yeah so past it they have just stuffed the world 11 in the first one dayer

the two oldest players were their best.

hitman_hatton1 · Post by **hitman_hatton1** » 06 Oct 2005, 13:39

a world 11 in a one dayer.

whoopee fornicating doo.

don't get me wrong it was great what england done and they deserve big credit.

but liverpool were given no chance by virtually everyone and pulled it off. :P before the ashes started, everyone thought it was well up for grabs.

liverpool deserve the award and england a close 2nd i think.

hitman_hatton1 · Post by **hitman_hatton1** » 06 Oct 2005, 13:42

states wrote:Hitman, even as a fellow Liverpool fan, I'm going to have to disagree. England deserve the team honours.

ok fair enuff.

why do u think it should go to england????

dwo 27 · Post by **dwo 27** » 06 Oct 2005, 14:40

Flintoff's going to win the sports personality award easily and it will be good to see someone who is a great role model to kids win it.

Team award has to go to Liverpool (although I'm a bit biased), the quality of the teams we (sorry, they) beat was incredible and we had to do it with a squad which wasn't exactly brimming with top class players.

Overseas personality will be either Shane Warne or Justin Gatlin.

hitman_hatton1 · Post by **hitman_hatton1** » 06 Oct 2005, 16:16

dwo 27 wrote:Flintoff's going to win the sports personality award easily and it will be good to see someone who is a great role model to kids win it.

Team award has to go to Liverpool (although I'm a bit biased), the quality of the teams we (sorry, they) beat was incredible and we had to do it with a squad which wasn't exactly brimming with top class players.

Overseas personality will be either Shane Warne or Justin Gatlin.

yeah couldn't agree more.

good shout on gatlin for overseas personality.

yelena isinbayeva has had some year as well in the polevault.

Phenomenal-Nutrition · Post by **Phenomenal-Nutrition** » 06 Oct 2005, 16:37

No ones mentioned Paula Ratcliffe??????? Overcoming her olympic demons to win marathon Gold in the World Championships - also shes the world record holder. Sorry Hattons not in that league yet and if he beats Maussa - SO WHAT - if he beat Mayweather, Zoo and Judah - then YES until then its not the same league as Flintoff and Ratcliffe

Phenomenal-Nutrition · Post by **Phenomenal-Nutrition** » 06 Oct 2005, 16:39

hitman_hatton1 wrote:
dwo 27 wrote:Flintoff's going to win the sports personality award easily and it will be good to see someone who is a great role model to kids win it.

Team award has to go to Liverpool (although I'm a bit biased), the quality of the teams we (sorry, they) beat was incredible and we had to do it with a squad which wasn't exactly brimming with top class players.

Overseas personality will be either Shane Warne or Justin Gatlin.
yeah couldn't agree more.

good shout on gatlin for overseas personality.

yelena isinbayeva has had some year as well in the polevault.

Gatlins not even the fastest over 100m or 200m this year. Asafa Powells 9.77 is more historical than winning the 100+200 in his absense.

states · Post by **states** » 06 Oct 2005, 18:48

hitman_hatton1 wrote:
states wrote:Hitman, even as a fellow Liverpool fan, I'm going to have to disagree. England deserve the team honours.
ok fair enuff.

why do u think it should go to england????

Well, as great as Liverpool winning the Champions League was, at the back of my mind is the fact that we finished 5th in the league, and 37 points behind Chelsea at that. We can't claim to be a great team when that happens. Yes, Liverpool saw off Leverkusen, Juve and Chelsea, and then won the greatest ever European Cup final against Milan. And it was against the odds.

But the England Cricket team took on a team who had not only dominated the world scene for over a decade, but were considered one of, if not the, best team ever to play the game. England were not given a chance beforehand: The English Pundits felt 3-1 was the most likely scoreline, the Aussies thought 5-0.

Liverpool were brilliant, no doubt. But does anyone truly consider them the team to beat now? Of course not. The Aussies have been the team to beat for almost two decades, but after the summer the whole world recognises that, whilst Australia are ranked number 1, England are the team you have to beat if you want to be considered the best. Nobody feels that way about the 'Pool.

England's achievement is more significant, especially when you consider the impact they had: Flintoff and Co. put cricket on the front pages for the first time in years, and also managed to knock the footy off the back pages. Flintoff, Pietersen and Hoggard made kids want to play cricket this summer.

And finally, whilst the Champions League final was probably the best European Cup final in the history of UEFA, the Edgebaston test was the greatest game of cricket in over 120 years. The Ashes series this summer was perhaps the greatest sporting summer you'll ever see. Any other summer, maybe Liverpool could win. But not this year. Cricket overwhelmed everything this summer.

lvlarc · Post by **lvlarc** » 06 Oct 2005, 19:33

Liverpool deserve the award for best team, and I think they will get it.

Ellen Macarthur SHOULD win it outright though, Flintoff didn't win the ashes on his own you know.

Old bones Ian · Post by **Old bones Ian** » 07 Oct 2005, 03:49

lvlarc_uk wrote:Liverpool deserve the award for best team, and I think they will get it.

Ellen Macarthur SHOULD win it outright though, Flintoff didn't win the ashes on his own you know.

I live in Ellen Macarthur's home town, and she is starting to get on my nerves, yep it was great that she sailed that high tech ship round the world, but so could alot of other people. Maybe its because she gets so much exposure down here, that i'm sick of hearing about it

MightyWarrior · Post by **MightyWarrior** » 07 Oct 2005, 05:10

Really, who cares? The BBC bauble is about as meaningful as an IBO flyweight title. Didn't Lewis win it one time? Personality of the year??

hitman_hatton1 · Post by **hitman_hatton1** » 07 Oct 2005, 06:50

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:
hitman_hatton1 wrote:
dwo 27 wrote:Flintoff's going to win the sports personality award easily and it will be good to see someone who is a great role model to kids win it.

Team award has to go to Liverpool (although I'm a bit biased), the quality of the teams we (sorry, they) beat was incredible and we had to do it with a squad which wasn't exactly brimming with top class players.

Overseas personality will be either Shane Warne or Justin Gatlin.
yeah couldn't agree more.

good shout on gatlin for overseas personality.

yelena isinbayeva has had some year as well in the polevault.
Gatlins not even the fastest over 100m or 200m this year. Asafa Powells 9.77 is more historical than winning the 100+200 in his absense.

i knew that would come up from someone.

if u actually look at when the 2 raced this season. i believe powell never actually beat gatlin.

gatlin is the king of the sprinters until powell turns up at the majors and delivers.

hitman_hatton1 · Post by **hitman_hatton1** » 07 Oct 2005, 06:54

states: i like a bit of cricket and what england did was superb.

i also agree that the impact was terrific and i certainly wouldn't begrudge em team of the year.

however liverpool's achievement can't be sneezed at either. it was also a very big deal at the time and even got a word from the prime minister if you'll remember. :P

hitman_hatton1 · Post by **hitman_hatton1** » 07 Oct 2005, 06:56

MightyWarrior wrote:Really, who cares? The BBC bauble is about as meaningful as an IBO flyweight title. Didn't Lewis win it one time? Personality of the year??

if the title was so trivial then why do we still remember the winners years later.

and why r we all wasting r time on this bloody topic in the first place.

lennox lewis won it in 1999.

Old bones Ian · Post by **Old bones Ian** » 07 Oct 2005, 07:14

If Ellen Macarthur wins it , i'm going to throw my TV out the window.

states · Post by **states** » 07 Oct 2005, 07:17

topper123 wrote:If Ellen Macarthur wins it , i'm going to throw my TV out the window.

Lucky for you that she won't then.

Seriously, have you ever met anyone who gives a flying fornicate about sailing? I know I haven't.

Old bones Ian · Post by **Old bones Ian** » 07 Oct 2005, 08:41

states wrote:
topper123 wrote:If Ellen Macarthur wins it , i'm going to throw my TV out the window.
Lucky for you that she won't then.

Seriously, have you ever met anyone who gives a flying fornicate about sailing? I know I haven't.

Unfortunatly we don't have an over abundence of sport stars down here, and sailing is one of the main sports in the home town.

leforge · Post by **leforge** » 07 Oct 2005, 08:41

She in the running so is Paula Ratcliffe

hitman_hatton1 · Post by **hitman_hatton1** » 07 Oct 2005, 09:32

leforge wrote:She in the running so is Paula Ratcliffe

radcliffe not ratcliffe.

great to c paula finally deliver a major title. such a shame about those conditions in the olympics.

beijing is gonna be hot conditions for her as well.