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BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:yeah are u saying white fighters cant fight????


tell that to jack dempsey, gene tunney, rocky marcino, etc.


as for joe louis' "white" challengers. he faced some good ones


buddy baer 6'7 250lbs - rated 66th greatest puncher in RINGS top 100 punchers. so that goes to show you he could hit. he was pretty coordinated and mobile for such a big man and defintely could bang with his right hand. i could see him being a contender in any era.

tony galento 5'9 233lbs- this man may have looked like a fat drunk, but this man was as tough and mean as they come. he could aslo hit very hard, especiialy with the left hook. he was very strong and would just come after you trying to knock your head off. he was no bum. he was also in the RINGS TOP 100 GREATEST PUNCHERS.

tommy farr- one of the better british heavyweights. he was a good boxer and was tough, with a solid chin, and was tough defensively. he gave joe louis a great and close fight over 15 rounds. he held victories over some top contenders and he also was the british champion for years.

arturo godoy- from chille i believe. he was a good fighter. i think charley goldman trained him?? he was a crowder and got really low and he gave louis a tough fight in there first fight.

abe simon 6'4 245lbs - he was a big heavyweight, and also coordinated for his size. he packed some power, but had a long reach and decent boxing skills. he was defintely no chicken dinner.

i could go on and on but u get the point



and to answer ur question, i think joe loius would win in any other era.

marchegiano007 wrote:

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:yeah are u saying white fighters cant fight????


tell that to jack dempsey, gene tunney, rocky marcino, etc.


as for joe louis' "white" challengers. he faced some good ones


buddy baer 6'7 250lbs - rated 66th greatest puncher in RINGS top 100 punchers. so that goes to show you he could hit. he was pretty coordinated and mobile for such a big man and defintely could bang with his right hand. i could see him being a contender in any era.

tony galento 5'9 233lbs- this man may have looked like a fat drunk, but this man was as tough and mean as they come. he could aslo hit very hard, especiialy with the left hook. he was very strong and would just come after you trying to knock your head off. he was no bum. he was also in the RINGS TOP 100 GREATEST PUNCHERS.

tommy farr- one of the better british heavyweights. he was a good boxer and was tough, with a solid chin, and was tough defensively. he gave joe louis a great and close fight over 15 rounds. he held victories over some top contenders and he also was the british champion for years.

arturo godoy- from chille i believe. he was a good fighter. i think charley goldman trained him?? he was a crowder and got really low and he gave louis a tough fight in there first fight.

abe simon 6'4 245lbs - he was a big heavyweight, and also coordinated for his size. he packed some power, but had a long reach and decent boxing skills. he was defintely no chicken dinner.

i could go on and on but u get the point



and to answer ur question, i think joe loius would win in any other era.

I'm saying that most of the time a black fighter is better than a white fighter. Of course a super middle weight like Billy Conn almost ko Louis. Conn weighted only 169 pounds and Louis 199. Max Schemling ko Louis. But tell me who were better fighters if this 2 guys give Louis a heck of a fight what do you think would had happen against. Liston, Frazier, Foreman, Holmes, Shavers, Lyle, Aly?

dempseyfire wrote:

marchegiano007 wrote:

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:yeah are u saying white fighters cant fight????


tell that to jack dempsey, gene tunney, rocky marcino, etc.


as for joe louis' "white" challengers. he faced some good ones


buddy baer 6'7 250lbs - rated 66th greatest puncher in RINGS top 100 punchers. so that goes to show you he could hit. he was pretty coordinated and mobile for such a big man and defintely could bang with his right hand. i could see him being a contender in any era.

tony galento 5'9 233lbs- this man may have looked like a fat drunk, but this man was as tough and mean as they come. he could aslo hit very hard, especiialy with the left hook. he was very strong and would just come after you trying to knock your head off. he was no bum. he was also in the RINGS TOP 100 GREATEST PUNCHERS.

tommy farr- one of the better british heavyweights. he was a good boxer and was tough, with a solid chin, and was tough defensively. he gave joe louis a great and close fight over 15 rounds. he held victories over some top contenders and he also was the british champion for years.

arturo godoy- from chille i believe. he was a good fighter. i think charley goldman trained him?? he was a crowder and got really low and he gave louis a tough fight in there first fight.

abe simon 6'4 245lbs - he was a big heavyweight, and also coordinated for his size. he packed some power, but had a long reach and decent boxing skills. he was defintely no chicken dinner.

i could go on and on but u get the point



and to answer ur question, i think joe loius would win in any other era.

I'm saying that most of the time a black fighter is better than a white fighter. Of course a super middle weight like Billy Conn almost ko Louis. Conn weighted only 169 pounds and Louis 199. Max Schemling ko Louis. But tell me who were better fighters if this 2 guys give Louis a heck of a fight what do you think would had happen against. Liston, Frazier, Foreman, Holmes, Shavers, Lyle, Aly?

I think Conn would've outpointed Lyle and Shavers quite handidly.

The other 4 encompass a 20 yr + time gap (late 50s-early 80s) when black HWs outnumbered white fighters. Before WW 11, there were more white boxers. The growth of the white middle class during the Eisenhower years and the Veterans Bill ensured that boxing was no longer a major way 'out' for poor young whites . . .

iceman21287 wrote:KO 1 John Henry Lewis

KOJOE90 wrote:

iceman21287 wrote:KO 1 John Henry Lewis

Am I right in thinking that John Henry Lewis was near or totally blind in one eye by the time he fought The Brown Bomber?

Ezzard wrote:Okay the only real point for deabte here is that Dempsey is criticised for not fighting black fighters, and rightfully so, as were many of the old time white fighters. As champion Joe didn't fight any black fighters either until right up until the end of his reign. The accusation against Dempsey is fair enough (though he did fight black fighters on his way up and did sign to meet Wills it was more of a promotional management decision). can the same accusation be made against Joe?

I don't think Joe is overrated at all. He's one of the greatest ever HWs. He beats most all-time greats and loses to a few but it's all based on personal opinion, styles and how they match up and not becasue Joe wasn't good enough.

marchegiano007 wrote:What would had happen if Joe Louis had fought in the 60's or 70's? Against Liston, Williams, Frazier, Foreman, Norton, Lyle, Holmes. Even the ring magazine gave Tunney and Dempsey a 7 in quality of opposition because they failed to fight the best black fighter of their time. Harry Wills.

marchegianorock wrote:

marchegiano007 wrote:What would had happen if Joe Louis had fought in the 60's or 70's? Against Liston, Williams, Frazier, Foreman, Norton, Lyle, Holmes. Even the ring magazine gave Tunney and Dempsey a 7 in quality of opposition because they failed to fight the best black fighter of their time. Harry Wills.