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RazorKO wrote:If Lewis would of gone to Ruddock's backyard than Ruddock would of knocked him out.

what exactly do you base that theory on, apart from bias? i know you get the usual `he was ko`d twice so X or Y would have beaten him` but considering they actually met and lewis ktfo ruddock out pretty convincingly i think thats a bold prediction and especially when you take their whole careers into account.
because of his canadian connections the british public never really warmed to lewis as to say frank bruno so lennox spent most of his career without that partisan support afforded to the likes of minter, hatton or benn etc. so lewis basically was always fighting away from home anyway, even when in britain. he didnt need crowd support to perform.
i agree the `home town johnny` tag could be pinned on a fair few british fighters but lewis aint one of them.
for me if they fought again it may have gone a few more rounds but the result would have been the same - lewis by ko, anywhere on the planet.

Question- who was the best fighter Tyson ever beat??? When you look at his career that way its not all that impressive. To be an all time great you would have to have beaten a fighter with a better resume than Razor Rodduck. Thats why I will never consider Tyson great in my opinion..he was spectacular but not great. He is known for his losses more than his wins.

Lewis beat Ruddock convincely by KO. If on points I could understand the home bias. But he knocked him into next week. As for Tyson. I've been saying this on other threads. What quality heavyweight did he beat? None. The good heavyweights he did fight took him the distance! Did he avenge any defeat as all great champions do? No. Was he great? Yes in possibly the worse era for heavyweight boxing. Was he great overall? No!

headhunter wrote:

RazorKO wrote:If Lewis would of gone to Ruddock's backyard than Ruddock would of knocked him out.

what exactly do you base that theory on, apart from bias? i know you get the usual `he was ko`d twice so X or Y would have beaten him` but considering they actually met and lewis ktfo ruddock out pretty convincingly i think thats a bold prediction and especially when you take their whole careers into account.
because of his canadian connections the british public never really warmed to lewis as to say frank bruno so lennox spent most of his career without that partisan support afforded to the likes of minter, hatton or benn etc. so lewis basically was always fighting away from home anyway, even when in britain. he didnt need crowd support to perform.
i agree the `home town johnny` tag could be pinned on a fair few british fighters but lewis aint one of them.
for me if they fought again it may have gone a few more rounds but the result would have been the same - lewis by ko, anywhere on the planet.

It seemed to me in the fight that when they announced Lewis's name, the crowd went mad with cheers where they severly booed Ruddock which would of brought him down somewhat. I believe Ruddock when he said to Merchant after the fight that he couldnt fight in this climate.

Although the Ruddock of say the Dokes or the Bonecrusher fight will take out Lewis no question. That Ruddock had his power and he had good boxing skills which he didnt use after the fights with Tyson.

RazorKO wrote:

headhunter wrote:

RazorKO wrote:If Lewis would of gone to Ruddock's backyard than Ruddock would of knocked him out.

what exactly do you base that theory on, apart from bias? i know you get the usual `he was ko`d twice so X or Y would have beaten him` but considering they actually met and lewis ktfo ruddock out pretty convincingly i think thats a bold prediction and especially when you take their whole careers into account.
because of his canadian connections the british public never really warmed to lewis as to say frank bruno so lennox spent most of his career without that partisan support afforded to the likes of minter, hatton or benn etc. so lewis basically was always fighting away from home anyway, even when in britain. he didnt need crowd support to perform.
i agree the `home town johnny` tag could be pinned on a fair few british fighters but lewis aint one of them.
for me if they fought again it may have gone a few more rounds but the result would have been the same - lewis by ko, anywhere on the planet.

It seemed to me in the fight that when they announced Lewis's name, the crowd went mad with cheers where they severly booed Ruddock which would of brought him down somewhat. I believe Ruddock when he said to Merchant after the fight that he couldnt fight in this climate.

if razor`s that sensative a soul he`s in the wrong game imo.

RazorKO wrote:

headhunter wrote:

RazorKO wrote:If Lewis would of gone to Ruddock's backyard than Ruddock would of knocked him out.

what exactly do you base that theory on, apart from bias? i know you get the usual `he was ko`d twice so X or Y would have beaten him` but considering they actually met and lewis ktfo ruddock out pretty convincingly i think thats a bold prediction and especially when you take their whole careers into account.
because of his canadian connections the british public never really warmed to lewis as to say frank bruno so lennox spent most of his career without that partisan support afforded to the likes of minter, hatton or benn etc. so lewis basically was always fighting away from home anyway, even when in britain. he didnt need crowd support to perform.
i agree the `home town johnny` tag could be pinned on a fair few british fighters but lewis aint one of them.
for me if they fought again it may have gone a few more rounds but the result would have been the same - lewis by ko, anywhere on the planet.

It seemed to me in the fight that when they announced Lewis's name, the crowd went mad with cheers where they severly booed Ruddock which would of brought him down somewhat. I believe Ruddock when he said to Merchant after the fight that he couldnt fight in this climate.

Although the Ruddock of say the Dokes or the Bonecrusher fight will take out Lewis no question. That Ruddock had his power and he had good boxing skills which he didnt use after the fights with Tyson.

Then he was pretty pathetic if he was put off by the crowd!. Should stick to knitting or something like that....

silkov wrote:

RazorKO wrote:

headhunter wrote: what exactly do you base that theory on, apart from bias? i know you get the usual `he was ko`d twice so X or Y would have beaten him` but considering they actually met and lewis ktfo ruddock out pretty convincingly i think thats a bold prediction and especially when you take their whole careers into account.
because of his canadian connections the british public never really warmed to lewis as to say frank bruno so lennox spent most of his career without that partisan support afforded to the likes of minter, hatton or benn etc. so lewis basically was always fighting away from home anyway, even when in britain. he didnt need crowd support to perform.
i agree the `home town johnny` tag could be pinned on a fair few british fighters but lewis aint one of them.
for me if they fought again it may have gone a few more rounds but the result would have been the same - lewis by ko, anywhere on the planet.

It seemed to me in the fight that when they announced Lewis's name, the crowd went mad with cheers where they severly booed Ruddock which would of brought him down somewhat. I believe Ruddock when he said to Merchant after the fight that he couldnt fight in this climate.

Although the Ruddock of say the Dokes or the Bonecrusher fight will take out Lewis no question. That Ruddock had his power and he had good boxing skills which he didnt use after the fights with Tyson.

Then he was pretty pathetic if he was put off by the crowd!. Should stick to knitting or something like that....

Ruddock was treated cruely by the crowd who havent boxed a day in their life in the first place. Ruddock was the number 1 rated contender and should be treated with more respect and Lewis was lucky Ruddock was kind enough to fight him in his backyard as Lewis should of went to him.

RazorKO wrote:

silkov wrote:

RazorKO wrote: It seemed to me in the fight that when they announced Lewis's name, the crowd went mad with cheers where they severly booed Ruddock which would of brought him down somewhat. I believe Ruddock when he said to Merchant after the fight that he couldnt fight in this climate.

Although the Ruddock of say the Dokes or the Bonecrusher fight will take out Lewis no question. That Ruddock had his power and he had good boxing skills which he didnt use after the fights with Tyson.

Then he was pretty pathetic if he was put off by the crowd!. Should stick to knitting or something like that....

Ruddock was treated cruely by the crowd who havent boxed a day in their life in the first place. Ruddock was the number 1 rated contender and should be treated with more respect and Lewis was lucky Ruddock was kind enough to fight him in his backyard as Lewis should of went to him.

Bollocks mate! get a life and stop talking such crap!....

RazorKO wrote:Ruddock was treated cruely by the crowd who havent boxed a day in their life in the first place. Ruddock was the number 1 rated contender and should be treated with more respect and Lewis was lucky Ruddock was kind enough to fight him in his backyard as Lewis should of went to him.

Do you really think Ruddock is that mentally and emotionally fragile that a few boos and jeers made him lose the fight? Ruddock always struck me as a much tougher guy than that. Many fighters claim to thrive on a hostile enviroment, and Earls Court that night was by no means the most hostile crowd I have ever seen.

I think it was just a case of Lennox fighting one of his best fights and landing his big shots early and not doing his usuall 'scouting report' as he often did for a few rounds. Simple as that.

If Razor was frightened of Lewis's fans then its just as well that he didn't fight Bruno as Franks fans were far more vociferous than Lewis's. I was actually there that night and the crowd was just average. Most of the Boos Ruddock got came AFTER he had flopped down in little more than a minute of 'ACTION'. Ruddock was a huge disapointment that night and to blame the crowd is ludicrous. Razor does seem to be one of those fighters who always came up with excuses for his defeats... he did the same thing after his fights with Tyson. The truth is that he just wasn't mentally strong enougth to make it to the top and that is made clear by his blaming the crowd for his defeat against Lewis.
The great fighters thrived when fighting opponents in their own back yards... Ruddock in the end was just average.

Ruddock did Lewis a tremendous favour in fighting in his backyard. And to say Ruddock is average you need to be strung up by your balls and shot. No average fighter beats 4 former world champion and gives Tyson 2 good fights plus taking all the bombs Tyson had to throw. The only reason Lewis beat Razor so convingcly was that both Tyson fights had taken something away from Ruddock, if Lewis had fought Ruddock before the Tyson fights or if Ruddock hadnt fought Tyson, then Ruddock wins this by a brutal KO. If average punchers Rahman and McCall can starch Lewis, then what would Ruddock do with his Smash which is arguably the hardest single punch in ring history.

RazorKO wrote:Ruddock did Lewis a tremendous favour in fighting in his backyard. And to say Ruddock is average you need to be strung up by your balls and shot. No average fighter beats 4 former world champion and gives Tyson 2 good fights plus taking all the bombs Tyson had to throw. The only reason Lewis beat Razor so convingcly was that both Tyson fights had taken something away from Ruddock, if Lewis had fought Ruddock before the Tyson fights or if Ruddock hadnt fought Tyson, then Ruddock wins this by a brutal KO. If average punchers Rahman and McCall can starch Lewis, then what would Ruddock do with his Smash which is arguably the hardest single punch in ring history.

Thats a lot of IF's?

But the fact is they did fight and Lewis stooped Ruddock in 2 rounds. Don't get me wrong I respect Ruddock but Lewis beat him fair and square.

RazorKO wrote:Ruddock did Lewis a tremendous favour in fighting in his backyard. And to say Ruddock is average you need to be strung up by your balls and shot. No average fighter beats 4 former world champion and gives Tyson 2 good fights plus taking all the bombs Tyson had to throw. The only reason Lewis beat Razor so convingcly was that both Tyson fights had taken something away from Ruddock, if Lewis had fought Ruddock before the Tyson fights or if Ruddock hadnt fought Tyson, then Ruddock wins this by a brutal KO. If average punchers Rahman and McCall can starch Lewis, then what would Ruddock do with his Smash which is arguably the hardest single punch in ring history.

Sorry but I can't take you seriously!. Ruddock was a big puncher but everything else about him was pretty average cept his chin and stamina which were both rather below the standered of true world class. The fact that he couldn't fight Lewis in front of his home crowd shows Ruddock lacked balls. As for you stringing me up by my balls and having me shot you really need to grow up mate.

RazorKO wrote:

headhunter wrote:

RazorKO wrote:If Lewis would of gone to Ruddock's backyard than Ruddock would of knocked him out.

That Ruddock had his power and he had good boxing skills which he didnt use after the fights with Tyson.

What boxing skills exactly??

Ruddock NEVER showed finessed boxing skills after his controversial win over an old Weaver. He found his punch and became a one-dimensional slugger looking for the punch, setting it up with jack.

Actually Ruddock looked better against MORRISON then he did against both Lewis and Tyson . . . .yet he still got starched!

KOJOE90 wrote:

RazorKO wrote:Ruddock did Lewis a tremendous favour in fighting in his backyard. And to say Ruddock is average you need to be strung up by your balls and shot. No average fighter beats 4 former world champion and gives Tyson 2 good fights plus taking all the bombs Tyson had to throw. The only reason Lewis beat Razor so convingcly was that both Tyson fights had taken something away from Ruddock, if Lewis had fought Ruddock before the Tyson fights or if Ruddock hadnt fought Tyson, then Ruddock wins this by a brutal KO. If average punchers Rahman and McCall can starch Lewis, then what would Ruddock do with his Smash which is arguably the hardest single punch in ring history.

Thats a lot of IF's?

But the fact is they did fight and Lewis stooped Ruddock in 2 rounds. Don't get me wrong I respect Ruddock but Lewis beat him fair and square.

He beat Ruddock flat as a pancake actually... 8)

silkov wrote:

RazorKO wrote:Ruddock did Lewis a tremendous favour in fighting in his backyard. And to say Ruddock is average you need to be strung up by your balls and shot. No average fighter beats 4 former world champion and gives Tyson 2 good fights plus taking all the bombs Tyson had to throw. The only reason Lewis beat Razor so convingcly was that both Tyson fights had taken something away from Ruddock, if Lewis had fought Ruddock before the Tyson fights or if Ruddock hadnt fought Tyson, then Ruddock wins this by a brutal KO. If average punchers Rahman and McCall can starch Lewis, then what would Ruddock do with his Smash which is arguably the hardest single punch in ring history.

Sorry but I can't take you seriously!. Ruddock was a big puncher but everything else about him was pretty average cept his chin and stamina which were both rather below the standered of true world class. The fact that he couldn't fight Lewis in front of his home crowd shows Ruddock lacked balls. As for you stringing me up by my balls and having me shot you really need to grow up mate.

If Ruddock lacked heart than he would of quit against Tyson in their 2nd fight as in the 2nd round Razor suffered a broken jaw, but yet Ruddock fought on absorbing everything Tyson had to offer. Ruddock was a superb fighter with immense power, Holyfield and Foreman were said to of ducked Razor. 2 fighters like Holy and Foreman ducking Ruddock doesnt sound like an average fighter to me.

RazorKO wrote:

silkov wrote:

RazorKO wrote:Ruddock did Lewis a tremendous favour in fighting in his backyard. And to say Ruddock is average you need to be strung up by your balls and shot. No average fighter beats 4 former world champion and gives Tyson 2 good fights plus taking all the bombs Tyson had to throw. The only reason Lewis beat Razor so convingcly was that both Tyson fights had taken something away from Ruddock, if Lewis had fought Ruddock before the Tyson fights or if Ruddock hadnt fought Tyson, then Ruddock wins this by a brutal KO. If average punchers Rahman and McCall can starch Lewis, then what would Ruddock do with his Smash which is arguably the hardest single punch in ring history.

Sorry but I can't take you seriously!. Ruddock was a big puncher but everything else about him was pretty average cept his chin and stamina which were both rather below the standered of true world class. The fact that he couldn't fight Lewis in front of his home crowd shows Ruddock lacked balls. As for you stringing me up by my balls and having me shot you really need to grow up mate.

If Ruddock lacked heart than he would of quit against Tyson in their 2nd fight as in the 2nd round Razor suffered a broken jaw, but yet Ruddock fought on absorbing everything Tyson had to offer. Ruddock was a superb fighter with immense power, Holyfield and Foreman were said to of ducked Razor. 2 fighters like Holy and Foreman ducking Ruddock doesnt sound like an average fighter to me.

Are uj suggesting that Ruddock was a great fighter?????

dempseyfire wrote:

RazorKO wrote:

headhunter wrote: That Ruddock had his power and he had good boxing skills which he didnt use after the fights with Tyson.

What boxing skills exactly??

Ruddock NEVER showed finessed boxing skills after his controversial win over an old Weaver. He found his punch and became a one-dimensional slugger looking for the punch, setting it up with jack.

Actually Ruddock looked better against MORRISON then he did against both Lewis and Tyson . . . .yet he still got starched!

Morrison vs Ruddock - The most premteture stoppage in ring history. Ruddock was hit by Morrison's best left hook, but Ruddock still got up at the count of 1 and a half. Morrison than landed pitty pat punches and the ref stopped it....AND THAT WAS FAT OLD RUDDOCK WHO EVEN FLOORED MORRISON IN THE FIRST AND WAS BEATING THE LIVING HELL OUT OF HIM throughout the fight.

A prime Ruddock would be wiping Morrison's brains of his glove if they had fought back in 1990/91.

RazorKo you haven't got a clue mate! Are you serious or are you winding everyone up? No actually I've got it! YOU ARE THE RAZOR HIMSELF!

RazorKO wrote:

silkov wrote:

RazorKO wrote:Ruddock did Lewis a tremendous favour in fighting in his backyard. And to say Ruddock is average you need to be strung up by your balls and shot. No average fighter beats 4 former world champion and gives Tyson 2 good fights plus taking all the bombs Tyson had to throw. The only reason Lewis beat Razor so convingcly was that both Tyson fights had taken something away from Ruddock, if Lewis had fought Ruddock before the Tyson fights or if Ruddock hadnt fought Tyson, then Ruddock wins this by a brutal KO. If average punchers Rahman and McCall can starch Lewis, then what would Ruddock do with his Smash which is arguably the hardest single punch in ring history.

Sorry but I can't take you seriously!. Ruddock was a big puncher but everything else about him was pretty average cept his chin and stamina which were both rather below the standered of true world class. The fact that he couldn't fight Lewis in front of his home crowd shows Ruddock lacked balls. As for you stringing me up by my balls and having me shot you really need to grow up mate.

If Ruddock lacked heart than he would of quit against Tyson in their 2nd fight as in the 2nd round Razor suffered a broken jaw, but yet Ruddock fought on absorbing everything Tyson had to offer. Ruddock was a superb fighter with immense power, Holyfield and Foreman were said to of ducked Razor. 2 fighters like Holy and Foreman ducking Ruddock doesnt sound like an average fighter to me.

Whats your evidence that Holifield ducked Ruddock???. Evander never ducked anyone.
A fighter whom can be put off by the crowd is hardly the bravest warrior in the ring is he.

Arsenal wrote:RazorKo you haven't got a clue mate! Are you serious or are you winding everyone up? No actually I've got it! YOU ARE THE RAZOR HIMSELF!

Nope, just a fan who apperciates what Ruddock brought to the sport of boxing - Excitement.

ShoeShine wrote:

RazorKO wrote:

silkov wrote:
Sorry but I can't take you seriously!. Ruddock was a big puncher but everything else about him was pretty average cept his chin and stamina which were both rather below the standered of true world class. The fact that he couldn't fight Lewis in front of his home crowd shows Ruddock lacked balls. As for you stringing me up by my balls and having me shot you really need to grow up mate.

If Ruddock lacked heart than he would of quit against Tyson in their 2nd fight as in the 2nd round Razor suffered a broken jaw, but yet Ruddock fought on absorbing everything Tyson had to offer. Ruddock was a superb fighter with immense power, Holyfield and Foreman were said to of ducked Razor. 2 fighters like Holy and Foreman ducking Ruddock doesnt sound like an average fighter to me.

Are uj suggesting that Ruddock was a great fighter?????

People rank Lewis in the top 10 HW list, many experts also say Lewis's best win was over Ruddock so Ruddock was an excellent fighter who would of been champion if signed with King or if Lewis had fought Ruddock before the 2 Tyson fights as Ruddock wasnt the same after those 2 fights.

RazorKO wrote: People rank Lewis in the top 10 HW list, many experts also say Lewis's best win was over Ruddock so Ruddock was an excellent fighter who would of been champion if signed with King or if Lewis had fought Ruddock before the 2 Tyson fights as Ruddock wasnt the same after those 2 fights.

It is more like it is one of his more picturesque KOs and the win for the beginning of his first title reign.

RazorKO wrote:

ShoeShine wrote:

RazorKO wrote: If Ruddock lacked heart than he would of quit against Tyson in their 2nd fight as in the 2nd round Razor suffered a broken jaw, but yet Ruddock fought on absorbing everything Tyson had to offer. Ruddock was a superb fighter with immense power, Holyfield and Foreman were said to of ducked Razor. 2 fighters like Holy and Foreman ducking Ruddock doesnt sound like an average fighter to me.

Are uj suggesting that Ruddock was a great fighter?????

People rank Lewis in the top 10 HW list, many experts also say Lewis's best win was over Ruddock so Ruddock was an excellent fighter who would of been champion if signed with King or if Lewis had fought Ruddock before the 2 Tyson fights as Ruddock wasnt the same after those 2 fights.

Well I don't rank Lewis in the top 10 all time... more like top 15. Being koed by the likes of Mccall and Rahman is not the stamp of greatness.

damien590 wrote:Donovan "Razor" Ruddock. The 91' version. This guy was BEAST &
actually was more heavy-handed than Mike. He reminded me of an
earlier Ike Ibeabuchi. After Tyson finished with him he was no good
anymore because it took alot out of him, I believe that's why he looked so
poorly against Lewis in 92' because he was physically shot from those
Tyson wars.

Everybody even questioned Tyson's stamina. There you have it with these
2 fights. The 1st bout ended in the 7th & the rematch went a full 12.
Tyson showed me alot fighting Ruddock & I believe he would've been
highly prepared for Holyfield had they met as scheduled. I'm not saying
Mike would beaten Holyfield but what I am saying is that it would've
been more competitive because Mike was fighting regularly & still had
his killer instinct & was only still 24yrs old.

I can see where you are coming from on this one.

My take is that Tyson was clearly lazy & not putting in the work in the gym anymore, hence the reason why he didn't throw combos or move his head after 1989.

Ruddock was terrible in these 2 fights. Instead of boxing & showing Tyson angles, using his jab etc, he elected to throw one puch at a time, just like Tyson was doing & played right into Tyson's hands. Most fighters in history, had they used those tacticss against Tyson, would have lost.