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MightyWarrior wrote:Get the feeling FW is not too sure bout that chin is he....I mean, can the guy be THAT good? Maybe he is, but Frank aint taking any chance is he?

Open to a decent counter as he wades in. With one sided fights like this, he'll remain that way.

Totally agree here. Am really not that impressed with Khan - he doesn't look a puncher, and he gets caught. I doubt his chin too.

I predict boldly that he will get chinned as soon as he faces a decent puncher.

The truth is that he should be fighting guys from his own weight division right now. If he isn't ready to fight fighters from his own divison then he really shouldn't have turned pro yet. As it is Khan would be learning a lot more had he stayed Am and gone throught the ABA'S and gained more experience boxing as a senior amutuer... whats happening now is all about money and the fact that Khan has already mentioned when he will retire doesn't bode too well for the future imo.

E wrote:

MightyWarrior wrote:Get the feeling FW is not too sure bout that chin is he....I mean, can the guy be THAT good? Maybe he is, but Frank aint taking any chance is he?

Open to a decent counter as he wades in. With one sided fights like this, he'll remain that way.

Totally agree here. Am really not that impressed with Khan - he doesn't look a puncher, and he gets caught. I doubt his chin too.

I predict boldly that he will get chinned as soon as he faces a decent puncher.

You must hav special powers to see so clearly into the future. There has been no indication that Khan cannot take a punch. None whatsoever. Khan is fast, enthusiastic, vicious and learning all the time. And I genuinely hope he does well.

fist wrote:Once he steps up to six rounders it will be a real test and revelation of his abilities. .

Well that depends on the strength of the opposition. The schedueled didstance means nothing if its against the type of opponent that folds after 2 or 3 rounds.

Hopefully when Khan steps up to 6 & 8 round they will put him in with some durable Light-Welterweights.

What are Kahn's people supposed to do with him? Inevitably he needs to cash in on his post-olympic marketability by featuring on televised bills, but then his learning process is for all to see. He therefore cannot afford a bad-looking performance so his opponents are inevitably going to be of a type that he can get rid of in style. Will this help in the long term? Doubt it, but I'm afraid this is an inevitability and I think the only thing to do is sit back, take the 1/100 odds on him to win, and as a boxing fan be pleased that he's helping get boxing some postive coverage and bringing new fans to the sport.

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fist wrote:Once he steps up to six rounders it will be a real test and revelation of his abilities. .

Well that depends on the strength of the opposition. The schedueled didstance means nothing if its against the type of opponent that folds after 2 or 3 rounds.

Hopefully when Khan steps up to 6 & 8 round they will put him in with some durable Light-Welterweights.

Yeah I agee with that. My initial point was more to do with having more scope to demonstrate power and achieve knockouts when the number of rounds increases.

dandantheweatherman wrote:What are Kahn's people supposed to do with him? Inevitably he needs to cash in on his post-olympic marketability by featuring on televised bills, but then his learning process is for all to see. He therefore cannot afford a bad-looking performance so his opponents are inevitably going to be of a type that he can get rid of in style. Will this help in the long term? Doubt it, but I'm afraid this is an inevitability and I think the only thing to do is sit back, take the 1/100 odds on him to win, and as a boxing fan be pleased that he's helping get boxing some postive coverage and bringing new fans to the sport.

I wouldn't call the farce of a fight last night good for boxing....

silkov wrote:

dandantheweatherman wrote:What are Kahn's people supposed to do with him? Inevitably he needs to cash in on his post-olympic marketability by featuring on televised bills, but then his learning process is for all to see. He therefore cannot afford a bad-looking performance so his opponents are inevitably going to be of a type that he can get rid of in style. Will this help in the long term? Doubt it, but I'm afraid this is an inevitability and I think the only thing to do is sit back, take the 1/100 odds on him to win, and as a boxing fan be pleased that he's helping get boxing some postive coverage and bringing new fans to the sport.

I wouldn't call the farce of a fight last night good for boxing....

Got to agree again, to over hype Khan as the next coming and feed him smaller fighters is only achieving the Audley harrison situation..and that did boxing alot of harm...BBC dropped boxing after that

Make his fights exciting..not exhibitions in bullying.

What other lt-welters or even welters turned over into the paid ranks this year or even last, feed him them.
If he is the second coming he`ll shine...and with his amateur pedigree he should have enough to beat them over the 4rnd distance.

The biggest problem I see is that SN are letting him learn his trade as chief support - It's ridiculous really and it could backfire if they continue to insist on these rather easy/poor match ups.

I agree the shots did look a little light, to me this looked more to be down to the fact that he just wasn't setting his feet. In the amatures he set a fastish pace but generally set his feet and looked like he hit with decent power.

Last nght he seemed to rush in and throw alot of punches from the shoulder. We'll have to wait and see if he calms down and starts picking his shots more as he progresses.

I don't want to join the band of Amir knockers but hey some us have to be devil's advocates Gethin was a guy with a poor record from a weight division (or two) below and Khan never had him in any serious danger. Disorganised but never really out of it, can't argue with the stoppage though if only for the reason i was glad to see the mismatch end.

It was a poor match but then again it is only his third pro fight so get him to 5-0 with some blowouts (although he may struggle to blow out the blowouts!) and then start improving his level of opposition. Simple...i should be a promoter myself

The biggest problem is that they are building him up as a super-star

They assure us he WILL be a world champion...and soon

His third fight and regardless of who was top of the bill, this Amir Khans show

Was it Harrison shown doing the work-out on the intro to the show...no

Whats with comparing him to the top guys of the division, Witter, Hatton, Maussa, Cotto and mayweather...he is a million miles away from them...and who`s to say he`d even fight them if they are still at the top in 5-6yrs time.

They are building him up too much, anything less than a genuine world title and defences against his division top men will be seen as a failure

And its an impossible dream...Britain has been very very poor at producing any fighter that could have done this.

Naz came close, and he was our best fighter for a long long time...but even he got found out when given the acid test.

What I meant about Kahn being good for boxing is that he's attracting more people to the sport. Yes, his fight's aren't up to much (and how can they be at this stage????), but the point is people are watching boxing who otherwise wouldn't be watching. They see Kahn win easily (and so long his wins are convincing and less farcial than, say, some of Bruno and Audley's prime time wins) some interest will be retained. Plus, Kahn is fighting as main supports to other fights, which people who otherwise may not watch may watch. In this respect it's good for boxing. Is it good for Kahn in the longer term? Well, here I'm not so convinced because it will be hard for him to have a 'hard learning fight' as things stand.

Kahn's people need to look at what Audley was doing and as they're following a similar model (ie early pro fights televised) and learn from it.

Most of Lennox Lewis early fights were on ITV. I don't recall them being as farcial as some of Audley Harrison's, but then again Lennox is a harder hitter which helps.

I've said all along he cant punch!

Lets see him fight boxers like

Grant
Smedley
Buckland
Martin Lindsay would also box him at Khan's weight last night.

Everyone should expect early blowouts at this stage in his career, he is bound to have poor opposition early on. I just don't understand why they can't get genuine light welter journeymen for him. Putting him in with a fighter from a few weight divisions below Amir is outrageous, but a common practice for Sports Network. I wouldn't mind watching Amir Khan winning in one or two rounds if only his opponent was from the same weight division.

Disagreed with Duke McKenzie a few times but on the whole was a good presentation by ITV.

Anyone notice Dominik Negus working security ? He did the ring walk with both Khan and Gethin.

tonyevs wrote:The biggest problem is that they are building him up as a super-star

They assure us he WILL be a world champion...and soon

His third fight and regardless of who was top of the bill, this Amir Khans show

Was it Harrison shown doing the work-out on the intro to the show...no

Whats with comparing him to the top guys of the division, Witter, Hatton, Maussa, Cotto and mayweather...he is a million miles away from them...and who`s to say he`d even fight them if they are still at the top in 5-6yrs time.

They are building him up too much, anything less than a genuine world title and defences against his division top men will be seen as a failure

And its an impossible dream...Britain has been very very poor at producing any fighter that could have done this.

Naz came close, and he was our best fighter for a long long time...but even he got found out when given the acid test.

I find it astonishing that so many of you are knocking him so much. Khan himself is doing everything he can - trying to learn and beating those put in front of him. No one is saying 100% that he will be world champion, that would be madness, the TV experts say he COULD be and that is a fair perspective. It is right that we get excited about up and coming prospects - he got a medal at the Olympics, then beat the the numero uno in the rematch, symbolically gaining gold. He has good movement, very fast hands and a desirte to learn and win. Yes last night was a mismatch, but it is only his third ever pro fight. If after several mor fights, he continues to get easy fights then the criticism will be valid. Despite his Olympic success, his CV is effectively wiped clean as a pro, so I think it was fine that his first three fights were not too challenging. However, starting early next year he needs to be pushed more.

Khan himself is a talented and exciting prospect and Im glad to see him fighting regularly. It is also good to see him being self critical.

As I said before the fight what will Khan come away with apart from the win - The fight taught him nothing whereas he should be learning a little fom every bout even at, and especially, this point in his career - His record as an amateur speaks for itself and based on that he should do well as a pro, but just how far he can go is another matter - Its silly talk suggesting he may do better than Naz or being world champ before he is 21- Lets see what he can do with better oponents before making that judgment - He needs credible opponents after his 6th fight and if he is that good, and we think he is, after his 12th bout a really good test with a view to perhaps the British title - I like the lad, he has confidence but isnt big headed - He shows great respect for his opponents and in particular his ever growing legion of fans - Good luck to him

wildwaylon wrote:As I said before the fight what will Khan come away with apart from the win - The fight taught him nothing whereas he should be learning a little fom every bout even at, and especially, this point in his career - His record as an amateur speaks for itself and based on that he should do well as a pro, but just how far he can go is another matter - Its silly talk suggesting he may do better than Naz or being world champ before he is 21- Lets see what he can do with better oponents before making that judgment - He needs credible opponents after his 6th fight and if he is that good, and we think he is, after his 12th bout a really good test with a view to perhaps the British title - I like the lad, he has confidence but isnt big headed - He shows great respect for his opponents and in particular his ever growing legion of fans - Good luck to him

Well put - agree with all of that.

fist wrote:

tonyevs wrote:The biggest problem is that they are building him up as a super-star

They assure us he WILL be a world champion...and soon

His third fight and regardless of who was top of the bill, this Amir Khans show

Was it Harrison shown doing the work-out on the intro to the show...no

Whats with comparing him to the top guys of the division, Witter, Hatton, Maussa, Cotto and mayweather...he is a million miles away from them...and who`s to say he`d even fight them if they are still at the top in 5-6yrs time.

They are building him up too much, anything less than a genuine world title and defences against his division top men will be seen as a failure

And its an impossible dream...Britain has been very very poor at producing any fighter that could have done this.

Naz came close, and he was our best fighter for a long long time...but even he got found out when given the acid test.

I find it astonishing that so many of you are knocking him so much. Khan himself is doing everything he can - trying to learn and beating those put in front of him. No one is saying 100% that he will be world champion, that would be madness, the TV experts say he COULD be and that is a fair perspective. It is right that we get excited about up and coming prospects - he got a medal at the Olympics, then beat the the numero uno in the rematch, symbolically gaining gold. He has good movement, very fast hands and a desirte to learn and win. Yes last night was a mismatch, but it is only his third ever pro fight. If after several mor fights, he continues to get easy fights then the criticism will be valid. Despite his Olympic success, his CV is effectively wiped clean as a pro, so I think it was fine that his first three fights were not too challenging. However, starting early next year he needs to be pushed more.

Khan himself is a talented and exciting prospect and Im glad to see him fighting regularly. It is also good to see him being self critical.

I find it astonishing that you're astonished. Not all boxing fans are mugs. The problem is quite simple... Khan should be fighting boxers of his own weight... the fact that he is not is a total nonsense and is counter productive to both boxing and Khan as well. If he isn't ready to fight even journeymen of his own weight then one must ask whether he was ready to turn pro when he did. Either way if he wants to be a legend Amir needs to start fighting real fights against men hs own size.

silkov wrote:

fist wrote:

tonyevs wrote:The biggest problem is that they are building him up as a super-star

They assure us he WILL be a world champion...and soon

His third fight and regardless of who was top of the bill, this Amir Khans show

Was it Harrison shown doing the work-out on the intro to the show...no

Whats with comparing him to the top guys of the division, Witter, Hatton, Maussa, Cotto and mayweather...he is a million miles away from them...and who`s to say he`d even fight them if they are still at the top in 5-6yrs time.

They are building him up too much, anything less than a genuine world title and defences against his division top men will be seen as a failure

And its an impossible dream...Britain has been very very poor at producing any fighter that could have done this.

Naz came close, and he was our best fighter for a long long time...but even he got found out when given the acid test.

I find it astonishing that so many of you are knocking him so much. Khan himself is doing everything he can - trying to learn and beating those put in front of him. No one is saying 100% that he will be world champion, that would be madness, the TV experts say he COULD be and that is a fair perspective. It is right that we get excited about up and coming prospects - he got a medal at the Olympics, then beat the the numero uno in the rematch, symbolically gaining gold. He has good movement, very fast hands and a desirte to learn and win. Yes last night was a mismatch, but it is only his third ever pro fight. If after several mor fights, he continues to get easy fights then the criticism will be valid. Despite his Olympic success, his CV is effectively wiped clean as a pro, so I think it was fine that his first three fights were not too challenging. However, starting early next year he needs to be pushed more.

Khan himself is a talented and exciting prospect and Im glad to see him fighting regularly. It is also good to see him being self critical.

I find it astonishing that you're astonished. Not all boxing fans are mugs. The problem is quite simple... Khan should be fighting boxers of his own weight... the fact that he is not is a total nonsense and is counter productive to both boxing and Khan as well. If he isn't ready to fight even journeymen of his own weight then one must ask whether he was ready to turn pro when he did. Either way if he wants to be a legend Amir needs to start fighting real fights against men hs own size.

And I agree with your comments - they were constructive. I feel we need to be more patient with him, but I agree in essence - I would be stupid not to. What I was astonished with is the variety and volume of unconstructive unsubstantiated criticisms. The lad has a lot of talent.

fist wrote:

silkov wrote:

fist wrote: I find it astonishing that so many of you are knocking him so much. Khan himself is doing everything he can - trying to learn and beating those put in front of him. No one is saying 100% that he will be world champion, that would be madness, the TV experts say he COULD be and that is a fair perspective. It is right that we get excited about up and coming prospects - he got a medal at the Olympics, then beat the the numero uno in the rematch, symbolically gaining gold. He has good movement, very fast hands and a desirte to learn and win. Yes last night was a mismatch, but it is only his third ever pro fight. If after several mor fights, he continues to get easy fights then the criticism will be valid. Despite his Olympic success, his CV is effectively wiped clean as a pro, so I think it was fine that his first three fights were not too challenging. However, starting early next year he needs to be pushed more.

Khan himself is a talented and exciting prospect and Im glad to see him fighting regularly. It is also good to see him being self critical.

I find it astonishing that you're astonished. Not all boxing fans are mugs. The problem is quite simple... Khan should be fighting boxers of his own weight... the fact that he is not is a total nonsense and is counter productive to both boxing and Khan as well. If he isn't ready to fight even journeymen of his own weight then one must ask whether he was ready to turn pro when he did. Either way if he wants to be a legend Amir needs to start fighting real fights against men hs own size.

And I agree with your comments - they were constructive. I feel we need to be more patient with him, but I agree in essence - I would be stupid not to. What I was astonished with is the variety and volume of unconstructive unsubstantiated criticisms. The lad has a lot of talent.

The criticisms are all a sign that many boxing fans are already frustrated with the way Khans career is going. Amirs people need to realise this or else Khan will suffer a simular fate with the fans that Audely Harrison did. He;s got away with it so far because he has boxed at different venues and many at the fights have just been happy to 'see him' but if this carries on into next year Khans credibility will start to be questioned by more and more people.

The fact that Khan has talent which I certainly don't dispute is one of the reasons why some find it unpleasent to see Khan beating up on fighters that are two weight divisions lower than him in what really are glorified sparring sessions. In fact I would hope that his sparring sessions are more competitive otherwise its hard to see him developing much.
These fights are making Khan into a bully and not many people like bullys.

MightyWarrior wrote:What the hell was that all about? They're meant to be giving him a ring education - what exactly is the point of putting him in with a guy 2 or 3 weight divisions below?

It's ridiculous - put him in with competent journeymen, yes - but does he really need a huge weight advantage too?

These sort of farces do him no good at all.

Complete contempt for the fans by Sports Netwrok yet again. Utter crap.

Yeah, I know its early days but it was utter dog shite.

These guys are inferior to him in every department, but his punches werent exactly taking Gethins head off.

He's talented but I cant see him Having the power to go all the way.

fist wrote:

E wrote:

MightyWarrior wrote:Get the feeling FW is not too sure bout that chin is he....I mean, can the guy be THAT good? Maybe he is, but Frank aint taking any chance is he?

Open to a decent counter as he wades in. With one sided fights like this, he'll remain that way.

Totally agree here. Am really not that impressed with Khan - he doesn't look a puncher, and he gets caught. I doubt his chin too.

I predict boldly that he will get chinned as soon as he faces a decent puncher.

You must hav special powers to see so clearly into the future. There has been no indication that Khan cannot take a punch. None whatsoever. Khan is fast, enthusiastic, vicious and learning all the time. And I genuinely hope he does well.

well, there is some proof - craig Watson has him over and really shaky

Ok, he's in there against guys who are very poor and aren't going to test him, but I think that is the same with all young prospects at this stage, it's just that Khan is so hyped up and his fights are all televised and made out as big events, but most prospects you start looking at have had at least six fights before you even see them on TV.

I'm sure Khan is definitely learning something out of these fights. Fighting as a pro is completely different and these early fights are about learning how to fight as a pro. There is no need to try testing the kid when he only has a small few rounds of experience.

After saying all of this I must say I was not impressed with Khan last night at all. We're not going to get to see his defensively abilities but on what we've seen of his offensive abilities - yes he's fast, very fast. He can throw combinations and look good doing it. But when the guy is so poor and is taking so many punches but isn't going down or getting knocked out, you have to question the power of Khan. I didn't think there was very much at all in his punches but I do acknowlege that if he continues to land so many of them, it will eventually wear down and stop many an opponent.

I'm looking forward to seeing how he develops but I think people need to be patient and accept that we're not going to see him come up against a decent opponent until the second half of next year at the earliest. If he keeps fighting every 2-3 months he should have about seven fights by June/July of next year but it will still be early in his career.

I wasn't surprised at all to see McGuigan calling for him to step up in class and got a laugh out of it. We all know this isn't going to happen quickly and no smart manager or promotor is going to rush a fighter with so much popularity and financial potential.

As for Khan himself, he needs to keep quiet and stop mouthing off as he did last week by calling out Mitchell. Firstly Mitchell is not even at his weight and secondly, Khan must know he won't be fighting anybody near that level until he has at least ten fights behind him, and that probably won't be until 2007 - at which stage we will know a lot more about how good Mitchell is. (I hope).

Ok fair enough you can't stick him in with seasoned campainers yet , but fack sake the ameteurs would'nt off aloud the weight difference , never mind the pro's . Where's the duty of care the promoter and the bbbc have .

One day a widow or a injured boxer will have a highly succesful civil law suit and then the mismatches will disapear,

Ask yourself this would Warren allow his son to fight 2 divisions above his weight.