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like holmes, thomas got hit so hard by tyson he doesnt remember getting it. funny how thomas says weaver because he took weavers best shots, and by aying weaver it proves he has a good chin.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:like holmes, thomas got hit so hard by tyson he doesnt remember getting it. funny how thomas says weaver because he took weavers best shots, and by aying weaver it proves he has a good chin.

You can use the same argument the other way around though. Surely Holmes would be better saying Tyson was the harder puncher as it was Tyson who Ko'ed him. Same with Pinklon Thomas, he could say Tyson and that would excuse his KO loss !!!

I don't think by Holmes saying Shavers was the hardest puncher is any strange claim as Shavers is generally considered the most powerful puncher in the heavyweight division ever. That punch Shavers decked Holmes with would've flattended most other fighters.

Controversial wrote:Hasim Rahman - Lennox Lewis or Sanders

I'm surprised Rahman forgot about Maskaev.... well, maybe he was already out when Oleg send him two meters down through the ropes.

I am sure I remember reading an artical on Sugar Ray Leonard where he states the the fighter that hit him the hardest and hurt him the most was Marcos Geraldo.

Somebody should ask all the guys that fought Julian Jackson who hit them the hardest? (Norris, Drayton, Graham, Cardamone etc) He has some of the best KO's I've ever seen.

Hapless Primo Carnera after the shellacking he received from Joe Louis - in the dressing room afterwards he was found with his head in his hands mumbling to himself

"oh my god how hard he hits. oh my god"

Foreman also said after the Cooney fight:

"he hit me on the point of the elbow with a left hook that paralysed my entire body. It felt like I'd been electrocuted"

Interview with Mike Weaver.

BB: After the Jones loss, you reel off five wins all by knockout. One of those wins came against tough as nails Columbian Bernardo Mercardo who was a very big puncher. In that fight, you stopped him in the fifth round. Just how hard of a puncher was he, and what do you recollect about this fight?

(As soon as Mike heard the name Bernardo Mercardo, he laughed and said, "He sure was a big puncher") Before this fight, we had sparred in the Hoover Street Gym in LA. In the gym, he knocked me down. Then the next week, we sparred again, and he knocked me down once again. From those knockdowns, he really felt he could beat me.

Well, time passes, and they made that fight. During that fight, he knocked me down once again. But he hit me when the bell had rung and that made me very mad. I came out the next round and knocked him out. In fact, I feel that out of all of my opponents, Bernardo Mercardo was the hardest puncher I ever faced.

Interview with Ted Lowry.

The hardest puncher he ever faced was -- surprise, surprise -- not Marciano. That distinction belongs to the venerable light heavyweight great Archie Moore, to whom he lost a 10-round decision in August, 1948.
"He almost broke my jaw," said Lowry. "I was going with (the woman who would become) my wife then and we had been invited out to a turkey dinner right after that. And I couldn't eat. I was sucking through a straw.
"Moore was the hardest puncher I ever fought. And he was pretty old when I fought him."
That was four years before Moore beat Joey Maxim for the light heavyweight title at the age of 39.

WAS EARNIE SHAVERS THE BEST PUNCHER YOU EVER FOUGHT?

LARRY HOLMES: Earnie Shavers was indeed the hardest puncher I ever fought, because he hit me with a right hand that jarred my ancestors in Africa, if you want to take a page from Ali's book.


WAS SHAVERS A MUCH HARDER HITTER THAN TYSON?

LARRY HOLMES: Tyson is a sharp puncher. Earnie shavers was a PUNISHING puncher. There was a difference between the two. Because when Shavers hit you, you feel it all the way through your body.

Controversial wrote:Interview with Mike Weaver.

BB: After the Jones loss, you reel off five wins all by knockout. One of those wins came against tough as nails Columbian Bernardo Mercardo who was a very big puncher. In that fight, you stopped him in the fifth round. Just how hard of a puncher was he, and what do you recollect about this fight?

(As soon as Mike heard the name Bernardo Mercardo, he laughed and said, "He sure was a big puncher") Before this fight, we had sparred in the Hoover Street Gym in LA. In the gym, he knocked me down. Then the next week, we sparred again, and he knocked me down once again. From those knockdowns, he really felt he could beat me.

Well, time passes, and they made that fight. During that fight, he knocked me down once again. But he hit me when the bell had rung and that made me very mad. I came out the next round and knocked him out. In fact, I feel that out of all of my opponents, Bernardo Mercardo was the hardest puncher I ever faced.

Bernardo Mercado was the guy that KO'd Trevor Berbick in 1 round. Berbick later claimed that "I proved I could take his best shot"

Jose Ribalta, another decent man inside and outside the ring, reflected on some of the tough guys he has faced.

"Bonecrusher Smith hit harder than Tyson," he said, "but Tyson threw more punches. And Larry Holmes is sneaky. He has a way of inching forward and you think you are not in range and then he pops you."

bollox wrote:Hapless Primo Carnera after the shellacking he received from Joe Louis - in the dressing room afterwards he was found with his head in his hands mumbling to himself

"oh my god how hard he hits. oh my god"

Tommy Farr quote.

"I only have to hear the words Joe Louis and my nose bleeds"

Ali has said that Shavers was the hardest puncher he ever fought.

These statements about who them the hardest may not mean a lot.
Some guys aren't going to say an opponent that they didn't like.

Also, they may not have got hit with the other guys best punch when they fought them. For example, Ali didn't get by many clean hard punches against Liston, like he did against Foreman, Frazier, and Shavers.

Decagon wrote:

Controversial wrote:Interview with Ted Lowry.

The hardest puncher he ever faced was -- surprise, surprise -- not Marciano. That distinction belongs to the venerable light heavyweight great Archie Moore, to whom he lost a 10-round decision in August, 1948.
"He almost broke my jaw," said Lowry. "I was going with (the woman who would become) my wife then and we had been invited out to a turkey dinner right after that. And I couldn't eat. I was sucking through a straw.
"Moore was the hardest puncher I ever fought. And he was pretty old when I fought him."
That was four years before Moore beat Joey Maxim for the light heavyweight title at the age of 39.

Moore was 36 when he won the title, not 39.

That depends on whether you believe Archie Moore or his mother.

According to Muhammad Ali: In Perspective by Thomas Hauser, Ali rated his opponents accordingly:

"The scariest --- Sonny Liston
The most skilled as a boxer --- Floyd Patterson
The most powerful --- George Foreman
The roughest and toughest --- Joe Frazier"

He also rated the top three heavyweights of all-time:

"(1) Me [Ali]
(2) Jack Johnson
(3) Joe Louis"

Here is his list of 'The Ten Best-Looking Heavyweight Champions Ever' ---

"I'm number one. After me, it don't matter."

controversial, thats cause lowry took a inexpereinced green marciano distance twice. he never got hit by a hard marciano shot during those fights. but moore was a very hard hitter, and was still a hard hitter in heavy division

WAS SHAVERS A MUCH HARDER HITTER THAN TYSON?

LARRY HOLMES: Tyson is a sharp puncher. Earnie shavers was a PUNISHING puncher. There was a difference between the two. Because when Shavers hit you, you feel it all the way through your body.

yes well larry those sharp punches left u out cold on the canvas. tyson only guy to KO holmes, even an older holmes gave holy fits.

who did joe louis say hit him the hardest?

Brockton, Holmes got up after Tyson knocked him down. Tyson had to knock him down three times before the fight was stopped.

Holmes was stopped by Nick Wells in an amateur fight in 1972.

Randall "Tex" Cobb said that Shavers hit him the hardest single shot but that numbers 2-1,000,000 were all by Bernardo Mercardo, a name I have heard but a fighter I know nothing about except that his punches impresssed Cobb who ko'd him if I recall.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:controversial, thats cause lowry took a inexpereinced green marciano distance twice. he never got hit by a hard marciano shot during those fights. but moore was a very hard hitter, and was still a hard hitter in heavy division

WAS SHAVERS A MUCH HARDER HITTER THAN TYSON?

LARRY HOLMES: Tyson is a sharp puncher. Earnie shavers was a PUNISHING puncher. There was a difference between the two. Because when Shavers hit you, you feel it all the way through your body.

yes well larry those sharp punches left u out cold on the canvas. tyson only guy to KO holmes, even an older holmes gave holy fits.

You mean in two fights that went the distance Lowry never got hit by a good shot from Marciano?

Give me a break.

dempseyfire wrote:

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:controversial, thats cause lowry took a inexpereinced green marciano distance twice. he never got hit by a hard marciano shot during those fights. but moore was a very hard hitter, and was still a hard hitter in heavy division

WAS SHAVERS A MUCH HARDER HITTER THAN TYSON?

LARRY HOLMES: Tyson is a sharp puncher. Earnie shavers was a PUNISHING puncher. There was a difference between the two. Because when Shavers hit you, you feel it all the way through your body.

yes well larry those sharp punches left u out cold on the canvas. tyson only guy to KO holmes, even an older holmes gave holy fits.

You mean in two fights that went the distance Lowry never got hit by a good shot from Marciano?

Give me a break.

well if he wasnt floored in either fight. marciano hadnt yet reached his prime anyway

Jamell McCline: "..Zuri Lawrence.."

i wouldnt take holmes opinion to seriosely, he said butterbean hit harder than tyson

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:

dempseyfire wrote:

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:controversial, thats cause lowry took a inexpereinced green marciano distance twice. he never got hit by a hard marciano shot during those fights. but moore was a very hard hitter, and was still a hard hitter in heavy division


yes well larry those sharp punches left u out cold on the canvas. tyson only guy to KO holmes, even an older holmes gave holy fits.

You mean in two fights that went the distance Lowry never got hit by a good shot from Marciano?

Give me a break.

well if he wasnt floored in either fight. marciano hadnt yet reached his prime anyway

Just because someone doesn't floor you doesn't mean that their punches don't hurt !!

Lowry took Marciano 20 rounds so to suggest Marciano never landed a decent punch is ridiculous. If he didn't that speaks volumes about Marciano. The first fight with Lowry was by all accounts controversial as many observers thought Lowry won 6 rounds to 4.