Abraham V's Ikeke

BubiScholz · Post by **BubiScholz** » 11 Nov 2005, 11:17

numpty wrote:Can't see Winky going to Germany Bubi, he has already said that his globe trotting days are over. He only wants to fight in the US now.

Let´s wait and see who the purse bid wins.....

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 11 Nov 2005, 20:06

Abraham didn't beat a lethargic Eastman by much. Ikeke's been avoided for a while, and Winky recently turned him down. No way Abraham can get set to land his wide, telegraphed punches. Ikeke not only has reach and height, he really rips ppl up. They don't call him Sharp Knuckle for nothing, and he'll really make the most of this.

steve689 · Post by **steve689** » 13 Nov 2005, 16:36

I haven't seen a whole lot of Abraham to be honest so before you attack me

I don't particularly rate him that highly, he looked a bit one dimensional to me against Eastman and from what i have seen of Ikeke i back the African. But only watching a fighter briefly can of course be deceptive as i rated Felix Sturm quite highly after his effort against DLH but i hear he has had a couple of scrapes and tight wins and maybe Oscar just bit off more than he could chew by going to Middleweight. Sturm-Masoe will be an interesting contest.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 14 Nov 2005, 05:21

BubiScholz wrote:
jamesmcdonnell wrote:
BubiScholz wrote: Ikeke is 32 and not the MAN in Middle. He hasn´t boxed a guy like Eastman. Even Don King is keen on bringing Arthur to the States he said after the Valuv-Donald-fight. He is also convinced that Arthur will be the future man in the division.
Ikeke will win this one easily, Abraham is limited and one dimensional and Ikeke is an excellent defensive fighter and has good handspeed and variation in his work.

Ikeke will give Taylor or Hopkins big big problems if they ever meet, I have been very impressed with what I've seen from Ikeke.
Ok, James, you are an expert, but please tell me why Ikeke hasn´t reached anything till now?

I'm no expert. It's just my opinion, but Ikeke hasn't really been given any opportunities. He was already passed over for a crack at Taylor and Hopkins if memory serves me correctly.

BubiScholz · Post by **BubiScholz** » 14 Nov 2005, 05:28

jamesmcdonnell wrote:
BubiScholz wrote:
jamesmcdonnell wrote: Ikeke will win this one easily, Abraham is limited and one dimensional and Ikeke is an excellent defensive fighter and has good handspeed and variation in his work.

Ikeke will give Taylor or Hopkins big big problems if they ever meet, I have been very impressed with what I've seen from Ikeke.
Ok, James, you are an expert, but please tell me why Ikeke hasn´t reached anything till now?
I'm no expert. It's just my opinion, but Ikeke hasn't really been given any opportunities. He was already passed over for a crack at Taylor and Hopkins if memory serves me correctly.

of course you are an expert, seriously, one of the best here on this forum!

BubiScholz · Post by **BubiScholz** » 14 Nov 2005, 05:28

steve689 wrote:I haven't seen a whole lot of Abraham to be honest so before you attack me I don't particularly rate him that highly, he looked a bit one dimensional to me against Eastman and from what i have seen of Ikeke i back the African. But only watching a fighter briefly can of course be deceptive as i rated Felix Sturm quite highly after his effort against DLH but i hear he has had a couple of scrapes and tight wins and maybe Oscar just bit off more than he could chew by going to Middleweight. Sturm-Masoe will be an interesting contest.

Sturm vs. Masoe is postponed. Sturm is injured.

steve689 · Post by **steve689** » 14 Nov 2005, 16:06

BubiScholz wrote:
steve689 wrote:I haven't seen a whole lot of Abraham to be honest so before you attack me I don't particularly rate him that highly, he looked a bit one dimensional to me against Eastman and from what i have seen of Ikeke i back the African. But only watching a fighter briefly can of course be deceptive as i rated Felix Sturm quite highly after his effort against DLH but i hear he has had a couple of scrapes and tight wins and maybe Oscar just bit off more than he could chew by going to Middleweight. Sturm-Masoe will be an interesting contest.
Sturm vs. Masoe is postponed. Sturm is injured.

Not to worry, i never thought it would be any good anyway

hitman_hatton1 · Post by **hitman_hatton1** » 14 Nov 2005, 16:21

viciousmaussa wrote:Abraham didn't beat a lethargic Eastman by much. Ikeke's been avoided for a while, and Winky recently turned him down. No way Abraham can get set to land his wide, telegraphed punches. Ikeke not only has reach and height, he really rips ppl up. They don't call him Sharp Knuckle for nothing, and he'll really make the most of this.

ikeke looked top drawer when he broke down antwun echols a few months back.

i reckon ikeke at range on his boxing skills.

ikeke W12(UD) and new ibf champion of the world.

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 14 Nov 2005, 17:46

Ikeke will win, Eastman SHOULD have won (this time, he definately blew that fight). Ikeke has similar traits to Eastman (size, jab) but is better, and quicker than Howard.

Ikeke WPTS - unless he is shafted.

Wolfman91 · Post by **Wolfman91** » 23 Nov 2005, 12:54

Even though the Sam v Winky fight was already signed the IBF should have changed it to be for the vacant IBF Middleweight title. I don't care what anyone says!

knockout · Post by **knockout** » 23 Nov 2005, 12:58

Wolfman91 wrote:Even though the Sam v Winky fight was already signed the IBF should have changed it to be for the vacant IBF Middleweight title. I don't care what anyone says!

Agree 100%

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 23 Nov 2005, 13:36

stujones wrote:Ikeke will win, Eastman SHOULD have won (this time, he definately blew that fight). Ikeke has similar traits to Eastman (size, jab) but is better, and quicker than Howard.

Ikeke WPTS - unless he is shafted.

I think unlike Eastman Ikeke is genuinely world class, he throws a lot of shots, is fast, is hard to hit, and seems physically strong. Not a murderous puncher, and slaps a bit, but he gets stoppages so he's obviously deceptively hard hitting in accumulation.

MightyWarrior · Post by **MightyWarrior** » 05 Jan 2006, 06:22

Showing on Eurosport tonight 9pm. Check out Abraham - he looks the real deal

Razor · Post by **Razor** » 05 Jan 2006, 07:46

http://www.boxen.com

Go to boxing streams and look down the list. :)

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 05 Jan 2006, 12:47

how fornicating wrong i was. i saw the fight 2 or 3 weeks ago & AA wiped him out.

Abraham was excellent. I don't agree with Numpty's statement about Ottke just winning lucky decisions, he maybe won 3 or 4 lucky decisions when he was getting on and needed extra help. I have no problem with his wins over Glengoffe, Brewer (x2), Byron Mitchell, etc.

Abraham seems to have learned a lot from Ottke, with the tight guard, excellent timing/punch selection and feel for ring space. Added to this he throws looping, unpredictable power shots. He neutralised Ikeke's reach rapidly. It's never wise to get excited after one fight, but this 2 year pro is improving a lot.

Unlike Taylor, who avoided Eastman AND Ikeke, Abraham looks the business. For the moment.

I hope WW-Taylor doesn't come off, and WW goes to germany instead, that'd be good.