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Posted: 20 Nov 2005, 19:31
by Autobarn
Tubbs was a massive talent, he just never fulfilled it. A lot of ppl feel he gave a boxing lesson to an up and coming Riddick Bowe. When Larry was getting old guys like Witherspoon and Williams boxed VERY well. Tubbs I feel could've done the same and lost a controversial decision. He might've been able to lift himself like those other two did. Itr's easier to be motivated when the great champ's slipping
Re: Larry Holmes vs Tony Tubbs 1985
Posted: 02 Feb 2012, 09:00
by Roco
Holmes to win.
Re: Larry Holmes vs Tony Tubbs 1985
Posted: 02 Feb 2012, 10:55
by loaded_gloves
In 1985? Tubbs to win a UD, in a fight that maybe looks like a mesh of Holmes/Williams and Holmes/Spinks I. Tubbs in the 220s vs Page was really something exceptional!
Re: Larry Holmes vs Tony Tubbs 1985
Posted: 02 Feb 2012, 11:43
by clubberlang
Interesting fight, Holmes was certainly a faded force at this stage, Tubbs had talent but was also a fat out of shape pudding, I see a very, very close fight that could go either way, the judges of the time would probably give Holmes a very controversial decision thanks to a strong finish
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Re: Larry Holmes vs Tony Tubbs 1985
Posted: 02 Feb 2012, 20:20
by SaadOffTheDeck
loaded_gloves wrote:Tubbs in the 220s vs Page was really something exceptional!
Huh? That was one of the worst fights I've ever seen. I think Fox stopped their short lived foray into Boxing after that nightmare.
Holmes keeps Tubbs on the end of his jab and wins in the 10-5 range.
Re: Larry Holmes vs Tony Tubbs 1985
Posted: 03 Feb 2012, 05:16
by loaded_gloves
I thought it was a good fight! Not an action fight sure, but nice skills on display from both men. Tubbs was super sharp. Witherspoon bombed out James Broad in shocking fashion on the undercard. Good night!
Re: Larry Holmes vs Tony Tubbs 1985
Posted: 03 Feb 2012, 06:56
by Techno89
Holmes to win on points
Re: Larry Holmes vs Tony Tubbs 1985
Posted: 03 Feb 2012, 07:49
by SaadOffTheDeck
loaded_gloves wrote:I thought it was a good fight! Not an action fight sure, but nice skills on display from both men. Tubbs was super sharp.
If they made criminals watch that fight it would cut the crime rate in half. Two fat slobs rubbing breasts and sucking wind. A real low point for Boxing.
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Posted: 03 Feb 2012, 10:21
by Controversial
BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote: lennox lewis was knocked out by john ruiz. these are sparring fights, all that matters is in the ring.
That was just a rumour that has no basis, one the Ruiz camp started funnily enough. It originally started that Ruiz beat Lewis up in sparring and ended up, like chinese whispers, thats Ruiz knocked him out. The trouble with gym rumours is there is rarely any footage to back it up, just biased gossip that gets exaggerated and blown out of proportion. Unless you can prove otherwise?
Re: Larry Holmes vs Tony Tubbs 1985
Posted: 03 Feb 2012, 10:22
by loaded_gloves
Tubbs was 228 that night - he was hardly a fat slob.
Re: Re:
Posted: 03 Feb 2012, 10:24
by loaded_gloves
Controversial wrote:BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote: lennox lewis was knocked out by john ruiz. these are sparring fights, all that matters is in the ring.
That was just a rumour that has no basis, one the Ruiz camp started funnily enough. It originally started that Ruiz beat Lewis up in sparring and ended up, like chinese whispers, thats Ruiz knocked him out. The trouble with gym rumours is there is rarely any footage to back it up, just biased gossip that gets exaggerated and blown out of proportion. Unless you can prove otherwise?
Looks like this old troll is long gone. Ruiz never knocked out Lennox Lewis. Christ, he never knocked out any top class fighter, yet he's going to ice Lewis with the big gloves and headguards? Ridiculous.
Lamon Brewster did deck Lewis in sparring prior to the first Rahman camp, however. Some say Lewis was KOd but I've never heard anyone of note back that one up.
Re: Larry Holmes vs Tony Tubbs 1985
Posted: 03 Feb 2012, 10:30
by SaadOffTheDeck
loaded_gloves wrote:Tubbs was 228 that night - he was hardly a fat slob.
He may have been less fat, but he still had titties. To each their own, it's always my answer for the worst fight I've ever seen.
Re: Larry Holmes vs Tony Tubbs 1985
Posted: 03 Feb 2012, 10:35
by loaded_gloves
Well then you must have missed ALL the heavyweight title fights since Lennox Lewis retired!
Each to their own indeed, but it would be silly to say Tubbs and Page didn't have technical skills. Look at any John Ruiz fight, or for that matter the Klitschko brothers incredible repertoire of a one-two, one-two, personally I rate any heavyweight title fight from 2004 onwards as the worst I have ever seen.
Haye vs Valuev and Klitschko are, for me, the definitive bad heavyweight title fights.
Re: Larry Holmes vs Tony Tubbs 1985
Posted: 03 Feb 2012, 10:42
by SaadOffTheDeck
loaded_gloves wrote:Well then you must have missed ALL the heavyweight title fights since Lennox Lewis retired!
Each to their own indeed, but it would be silly to say Tubbs and Page didn't have technical skills. Look at any John Ruiz fight, or for that matter the Klitschko brothers incredible repertoire of a one-two, one-two, personally I rate any heavyweight title fight from 2004 onwards as the worst I have ever seen.
Haye vs Valuev and Klitschko are, for me, the definitive bad heavyweight title fights.
John Ruiz never fought 15 rounds. His bouts sucked, but they were nine minutes less. I didn't say Page and Tubbs were terrible fighters, but together they produced an abysmal bout. I'm surprised there is someone in the world that disagrees. There was a thread somewhere else about the worst fights in history and when I dubbed this someone put up the Youtube because many didn't know of it. Nobody could make it past 5 rounds. This was worse than Byrd/Williamson. Wlad/Haye was epic in comparison.
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Posted: 22 Mar 2012, 13:36
by Nile4000
dempseyfire wrote:BB, you're wrong about Tubbs. Slow? He had the fastest hands of all the mid 80s Heavyweights, including Tyson (save maybe Dokes but he was in rehab at that point). A smarter, more complete fighter then his contemps like Page, Thomas, and Berbick. What really kept him from bigger achievements was his discipline (hence his portly physique, even though he looked like Mr. Olympia compared to some current HWs, like Johnson, Tua, and Sanders), and his lack of a strong punch.
1985, It would've been basically a pick'em fight. I see Holmes coming on strong late to pull it close but Tubbs persevering with his youth and winning a close split decision.
I think Page could equal, or possibly surpass Tubbs in hand speed and skills.Part of Tony winning their fight was the fact that Page seemed somewhat disinterested, the guy owned Tony in the amateurs.