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20lb isnt a big deal in heavy division since u can give up more weight. it especially isnt a big deal when u have the strength of marciano, because marciano could push men well over 200lb around the ring quite easily. marcianos strength is why it wont at all be a factor.



frazier had a solid build at his peak, but in fact he still was a little padded around the side and no doubt he could have weighed in under 200 himself.



heres tale of the tape


Marciano


Height.................5 ft.11in.
Weight.................185 lbs.
Reach..................68 in.
Chest (norm)...........39 in.
Chest (Expaned)........42 in.
Waist..................32 in.
Biceps.................14 in.
Neck...................16 3/4 in.
Wrist..................7 1/2 in.
Calf...................14 3/4 in.
Ankle..................10 in.
Thigh..................22 in.
Fist...................11 1/2 in.
Forearm................12 in.



Joe Frazier

Height.................5'11 1/2
Weight.................205lb
Reach..................73"
Chest (norm)...........42
Chest (Expaned)........44
Waist.................34
Biceps.................15
Neck...................17 1/2
Wrist..................7
Calf...................13
Ankle..................11
Thigh..................26
Fist...................13
Forearm................13




i highlighted the things marciano had bigger.







if u notice tale of the tape may be a good way to measure up people



cause even though lenox lewis is 6'5 235lb and max schmeling is 6'1 192lb


schmelings chest


44 normal
47 expand



lewis

44 normal
47 expand




195lb marvin harts thiigh wass the same as george foremans 25"



195lb marvin harts neck 18.5" is bigger than 6'5 235lb riddick bowes

I wouldn't say Frazier was padded at 205... he was quite lean at that weight.... I think he was a little stronger than Rocky and his added weight would have been an advantage in that he'd be able to push Rocky back imo. My point is that that amount of weight advantage can be an advantage if the fighter still has the speed...

silkov wrote:I wouldn't say Frazier was padded at 205... he was quite lean at that weight.... I think he was a little stronger than Rocky and his added weight would have been an advantage in that he'd be able to push Rocky back imo. My point is that that amount of weight advantage can be an advantage if the fighter still has the speed...

possibly, but frazier wasnt stronger than rocky. one of rockys biggest assets was strength, i give frazier the edge in speed though.



frazier wouldnt be able to push rocky back , because rocky is too strong. no one came remotley close to controlling rocky. frazier certainly wouldnt. in fact i think rocky would be the bigger bully on the inside and might push frazier back.



guys liek dempsey and rock IMO were both stronger than joe. rock was the strongest of them , but the slowest as well.

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u can see at his peak hes trim and muscluar and filled out.



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look here with rocky, hes very lean but hes thick all around and u can see the muscle in his short stubby arms.





interestingly enough



joe fraziers all time heavyweight rankings are these



1. joe louis
2. rocky marciano
3. joe frazier


i have the whole interview ill post it sometime


frazier said "joe louis is the greatest heavyweight champion of all time. rocky marciano is 2nd to louis . where do i rate ali?? somewhere below me. I beat him, and if i could beat him, no dount joe louis or rocky marciano would have."



joe really admired rock , i think he knew he was a lot a like marciano and tried to rememble him in some ways


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heres a pitcure of marciano. I am pretty sure he is in the 220-230s for this pic. hes very husky in this pic buts got a gut on him. he looks different from the slim 185lb huh?

i dont know when this was taken

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:

silkov wrote:I wouldn't say Frazier was padded at 205... he was quite lean at that weight.... I think he was a little stronger than Rocky and his added weight would have been an advantage in that he'd be able to push Rocky back imo. My point is that that amount of weight advantage can be an advantage if the fighter still has the speed...

possibly, but frazier wasnt stronger than rocky. one of rockys biggest assets was strength, i give frazier the edge in speed though.



frazier wouldnt be able to push rocky back , because rocky is too strong. no one came remotley close to controlling rocky. frazier certainly wouldnt. in fact i think rocky would be the bigger bully on the inside and might push frazier back.



guys liek dempsey and rock IMO were both stronger than joe. rock was the strongest of them , but the slowest as well.

But whats your evidence that Rocky and Dempsey were stronger than Joe?. For one thing Frazier fought bigger fighters than Marciano... he was regularly giving away weight and his oppsition includes in Ali, Chuvalo, Bonavena and Foreman 4 of the strongest heavyweights of any era ever seen...