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Ezzard wrote:

dalek wrote:true.but from what footage i've seen of johnson i'd still expect either joe or rocky to ko him before ten.

No chance. They might outwork and outhustle him but Johnson was never KO'd in his prime. I'd pick Jack to outpoint both of them. he wouldn't give them the openings. He'd frustrate them and outbox them.

i'm not impressed with johnson.i think frazier and marciano would get past jacks parrying and clean ko him.i rate jack fairly high on a greatness/historical ranking but not head to head.

Johnson was a very strong fighter, who was quite bigger than either Frazier, or Marciano and he really knowed how to use his size. The coming straight forward style would have been perfect for Johnson, who had one of the better uppercuts of heavyweight champions and he would tee-off with those uppercuts and use his size to bully and maul both Frazier and Marciano. Of course either man could score a knockout if they landed, but Johnson was a defensive specialist who rarely ever got caught with any lunging wide hooks, which both Frazier and Rocky threw a lot of. Unless they landed a lucky punch late in the fight knocking johnson out, then I don't see either winning the bout! Johnson by points.

Johnson would break Marciano apart, and though Frazier would be tougher I see Johnson being too fast, too skilled and too clever for him.... Johnson on points against Frazieer and by stoppage against Marciano...

silkov wrote:Johnson would break Marciano apart, and though Frazier would be tougher I see Johnson being too fast, too skilled and too clever for him.... Johnson on points against Frazieer and by stoppage against Marciano...

its amazing how many times u pick marciano to be stopped. johnson didnt stop 160lb men but he would suddenly stop one of the most durable fighters in history?


on film, we have never seen marciano badly hurt in his entire career. he was only down twice, for flash knockdowns. walcott hit marciano with the exact same punch he recentley knocked ezzard charles out cold with and rocky got up immediately, not really hurt. and walcott could punch. marciano was never stumbling around the ring or badly hurt from what we seen on film.

yet suddenly johnsons going to stop him? yea right my friend.


i didnt say marciano would win, but johnson would be him by decision, not stoppage. only a few in history could stop marciano





marciano would be tougher than frazier in this matchup because rock was a lot stronger than frazier and was a better inside fighter than frazier, where johnson liked to work.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:

silkov wrote:Johnson would break Marciano apart, and though Frazier would be tougher I see Johnson being too fast, too skilled and too clever for him.... Johnson on points against Frazieer and by stoppage against Marciano...

its amazing how many times u pick marciano to be stopped. johnson didnt stop 160lb men but he would suddenly stop one of the most durable fighters in history?


on film, we have never seen marciano badly hurt in his entire career. he was only down twice, for flash knockdowns. walcott hit marciano with the exact same punch he recentley knocked ezzard charles out cold with and rocky got up immediately, not really hurt. and walcott could punch. marciano was never stumbling around the ring or badly hurt from what we seen on film.

yet suddenly johnsons going to stop him? yea right my friend.


i didnt say marciano would win, but johnson would be him by decision, not stoppage. only a few in history could stop marciano





marciano would be tougher than frazier in this matchup because rock was a lot stronger than frazier and was a better inside fighter than frazier, where johnson liked to work.

Its amazing how often you come to Rockys defence. Think about it, Rocky got cut up easily, against Johnson he would be fighting at least 20, 25 or even 40 rounds.... after 10 rounds against Johnson Rocky would be cut up badly and I don't see him lasting the distance... Johnson could punch when he wanted and I see him either koing Marciano or the fight being stopped after 10 rounds or so. As for Johnson not stopping 160 pounders, he koed Ketchel with one punch when he felt like it.
Despite what you think I do rate Marciano but just don't see him beating Johnson.... Rockys style would be made for Jack...

silkov wrote:

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:

silkov wrote:Johnson would break Marciano apart, and though Frazier would be tougher I see Johnson being too fast, too skilled and too clever for him.... Johnson on points against Frazieer and by stoppage against Marciano...

its amazing how many times u pick marciano to be stopped. johnson didnt stop 160lb men but he would suddenly stop one of the most durable fighters in history?


on film, we have never seen marciano badly hurt in his entire career. he was only down twice, for flash knockdowns. walcott hit marciano with the exact same punch he recentley knocked ezzard charles out cold with and rocky got up immediately, not really hurt. and walcott could punch. marciano was never stumbling around the ring or badly hurt from what we seen on film.

yet suddenly johnsons going to stop him? yea right my friend.


i didnt say marciano would win, but johnson would be him by decision, not stoppage. only a few in history could stop marciano





marciano would be tougher than frazier in this matchup because rock was a lot stronger than frazier and was a better inside fighter than frazier, where johnson liked to work.

Its amazing how often you come to Rockys defence. Think about it, Rocky got cut up easily, against Johnson he would be fighting at least 20, 25 or even 40 rounds.... after 10 rounds against Johnson Rocky would be cut up badly and I don't see him lasting the distance... Johnson could punch when he wanted and I see him either koing Marciano or the fight being stopped after 10 rounds or so. As for Johnson not stopping 160 pounders, he koed Ketchel with one punch when he felt like it.
Despite what you think I do rate Marciano but just don't see him beating Johnson.... Rockys style would be made for Jack...

i am not saying rocky would win, but he will defintley not be stopped. rocky never lost due to cuts in his career so it should not be held against him in fantasy matchups. and if were comparing rocky vs johnson, i think were comparing a fantasy 15 round matchup.


u say rocky was made for johnson, but one boxing expert said in a book(cant remember the name) and others have said johnson was made for rocky.

which is it?


would rockys aggresion, brawling and busy in fighting techniques be too much for johnson on the inside?


did jack johnson have a good chin?


these are questions im interested in

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:

silkov wrote:

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:
its amazing how many times u pick marciano to be stopped. johnson didnt stop 160lb men but he would suddenly stop one of the most durable fighters in history?


on film, we have never seen marciano badly hurt in his entire career. he was only down twice, for flash knockdowns. walcott hit marciano with the exact same punch he recentley knocked ezzard charles out cold with and rocky got up immediately, not really hurt. and walcott could punch. marciano was never stumbling around the ring or badly hurt from what we seen on film.

yet suddenly johnsons going to stop him? yea right my friend.


i didnt say marciano would win, but johnson would be him by decision, not stoppage. only a few in history could stop marciano





marciano would be tougher than frazier in this matchup because rock was a lot stronger than frazier and was a better inside fighter than frazier, where johnson liked to work.

Its amazing how often you come to Rockys defence. Think about it, Rocky got cut up easily, against Johnson he would be fighting at least 20, 25 or even 40 rounds.... after 10 rounds against Johnson Rocky would be cut up badly and I don't see him lasting the distance... Johnson could punch when he wanted and I see him either koing Marciano or the fight being stopped after 10 rounds or so. As for Johnson not stopping 160 pounders, he koed Ketchel with one punch when he felt like it.
Despite what you think I do rate Marciano but just don't see him beating Johnson.... Rockys style would be made for Jack...

i am not saying rocky would win, but he will defintley not be stopped. rocky never lost due to cuts in his career so it should not be held against him in fantasy matchups. and if were comparing rocky vs johnson, i think were comparing a fantasy 15 round matchup.


u say rocky was made for johnson, but one boxing expert said in a book(cant remember the name) and others have said johnson was made for rocky.

which is it?


would rockys aggresion, brawling and busy in fighting techniques be too much for johnson on the inside?


did jack johnson have a good chin?


these are questions im interested in

But Rocky never fought in more than 15 rounders... Perhaps if he fought Johnson in a 15 he would go the distance but I dont see him lasting much longer against Johnson. Johnson had a great defence, was one of the best tactical boxers ever and had a great chin too... he would out box Marciano and cut him up and in the later rounds I think Marciano would be stopped.... this is not to say that Rocky would give a good fight of it but Johnson would pick him off... Johnson was one of the best counterpunchers the division has ever seen...

Decagon wrote:How many times did Johnson go past 15 rounds? 14 times? With 8 wins? Against Marvin Hart in 1905, he lost a fight he could/should have won because he lost the last five rounds.

Again your lack of research shows, Johnson played with Hart for most of the fight and knocked him out of the ring early on, the decision was seen as peculiar by most who viewed the fight. This was a planned robbery made with the hope of averting Johnsons upward rise to the title....

We'll start paying attention better when you actually start researching the topic!

Decagon wrote:Note my use of the word "should." That fight isn't on tape, and although most newspapers said that Johnson should have won, Hart did come on in the late rounds. The whole point of my post was showing an incident where Johnson had trouble going 20 rounds. Please pay better attention.

But he didn't have trouble going the 20 rounds, Hart was the one who was almost knocked out about twice in the fight!... since when does being robbed mean you had trouble going the distance?... your lack of knowledge on the fight is laughable, all you know about it is that Johnson lost (offically!)and you made the rest up in your head!. Some of us have actually read about this fight and know what we're talking about, while you plainly do not....

Decagon wrote:From the reports I read, Hart swept the last four or five rounds. Again, I'm not saying that Hart deserved the decision, but rather that Johnson had trouble in the last fourth of the fight. Why are you guys having trouble understanding this?

And where did you read this report?....

Actually, Johnson rarely initiated the clinching. He actually knew how to block punches with his hands, which was nearly unheard of for a heavyweight of that era. His contemporaries were so flabergasted that they did the only thing they could: wrestle him. Unfortunately for them, Johnson was a very good wrestler, as well. If he had his way, he'd never wrestle in a boxing match.

Thats the point. Johnson may not have wanted to wrestle but lesser fighter usually managed to get inside forcing Johnson to clinch. Frazier and Marciano definitly would have been able to get inside as well. Johnson would not be able to use his mugging, bullying tatics on Joe or the Rock. Johnson would have to use all his guile and skill just to survive a match between these two.

Frazier ko 2. Marciano tko 7.

Johnson was a very strong fighter, who was quite bigger than either Frazier, or Marciano and he really knowed how to use his size.

Johnson was a tad over 6ft tall and weighed a bit over 200lbs at his best and didnt really have that long of a reach. Marciano is one thing, but how does that make him quite bigger than Frazier? Johnson was a giant in his day. That is one of the reasons he was so successful