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BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:no way ellis won the fight..........





walcott-louis I rates up at the top

BB I've never seen it but MANY respectable boxing fans and historians give Ellis the decision.

Also Lewis-Holyfield 1 was a bad decision but I've seen much worse. It was one of the most boring HW title fights of all time, including any Ruiz fight you care to mention . . . .

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:

RazorKO wrote:

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:
no ur just bias. u reate gerrie coetzee in ur top 10 heavyweights for chrisake

Watch the fight and it will reveal how awful the decision was.
You say Walcott vs Louis was a robbery but not this one? Well i can see your point, Walcott couldnt even finish old Joe Louis and was put out of his misery in the rematch - the same Walcott who was iced by ABE SIMON!

louis was not that old. he had recentley knocked out billy conn and tami mauriello. walcott beat a very good joe louis in that first fight. not a prime, but a very good joe louis.

walcott KO 12 coetzee



jersey joe forgot more about boxing skill than gerrie coetzee will ever know.



yes im sure the walcott of 1947 was the same walcott who SEVEN years earlier lost to abe simon




put out of his misery in the rematch?


im guessing u hadvnt seen the fight. walcott knocked louis down AGAIN and outboxed him the whole fight until louis showed how good he was and finished off a peak walcott.

Ive seen the fight and I admitt that was a good counter right which Walcott dropped Louis in the rematch. But Walcott was still not quick enough to get away from an old Joe Louis and Louis landed about 4 left-right hooks landing clean on Walcott sending him into dream land.

In a fight between Coetzee and Walcott - Without a doubt Coetzee wins, Coetzee has far far better power, a much better chin and had more heart than Walcott. The only advantages Walcott had over Gerrie is that Walcott maybe had a little more speed but he had a good advantage in endurance. But in a match up Coetzee beatsn Walcott 9/10.

Coetzee KO 6

Andrew golota got robbed big time in the ruiz fight

Argentinian Juan Coggi was knocked out. The Argentinian ref must have given Coggi over 30 seconds to get up with additional recovery time for no reason what so ever. Anyways, the fight was in Argentina and Coggi eventually recovered to K.O. the unknown opponent. Last I hear the ref was suspended for his flagrant favoritism. Did anyone see this?

Lamar Murphy vs Miguel Angel Gonzales; Murphy clearly won, but the decison went to MAG. As he was anounced the winner, you could see in MAG's eyes that he knew he lost the fight.

Omar Weiss vs Antonio Diaz; Omar puts a boxing clinic for Diaz, but the judges gave Diaz a lopsided victory.

The two I always think about are Holmes-Williams and Patterson-Maxim.

Larry Holmes-Carl Williams. Holmes was aging and fought one of his worst fights. Williams won at least 10 of the 15 rounds, and should have been the new heavyweight champion. . Two of the judges only gave Williams 4 rounds! This was just horrible.

Although not as important of a fight, Patterson-Maxim . This was a light heavyweight fight early in Patterson's career and late in Maxim's. For whatever reason it was only an 8 round fight. Patterson won almost every round, but the judges gave it to Maxim.

the champ wrote: Lucas-Beyer - I remember seeing that fight, was a disgrace

I found that one nearly impossible to score, Lucas clearly won he first two rounds, Beyer clearly won round eleven, and essentially nothing actually landed in the twelth, although Beyer was in control, so that was even. All of the other rounds could have gone either way. Any score from 118-111 Beyer to 119-110 Lucas is at least arguable which is hardly a robbery just one of those fights that is always going to be controversial.

Beyer's tactics in the twelth make me suspect that Uli Wegner had got a look at the scorecards, and had told Beyer he just had to survive the round to get a win, as otherwise you would have expected the tactics Beyer had used in the eleventh to be repeated.

The worst decision I can recall seeing was Alejandro Monzon SD12 Esham Pickering

I didnt see it, but I heard the Tyrone Everret - Alfredo Escalera fight was a hideous descision with Escalera getting the nod. Anyone see this?

Pintor was completely unrecognizable at the end of the Zarate fight,that's how much he was hit.The judge who gave it to Zarate used the 5 pt must system through some of the fight,when he realized it was the 10 pt must system he just doubled his totals,that's why his score was so wackey.Pintor said Zarate had lost his punch despite Lupe looking like the elephant man.

RazorKO wrote:Coetzee vs Snipes - Worst decision in History. Snipes gets floored twice and fights for survivial in the first 7 rounds. Then Snipes is announced the winner? The most bullshit decision Ive ever seen.

I agree that Coetzee should have got the decision, but I did want to point something out in defense of the judges, that I believe some else mentioned a while back. There wasn't a 10 point must system in this fight. It was scored by rounds. If it was scored by the 10 point must system and if they would have Coetzee two of the rounds 10-8, Coetzee would have won.
I still think that Coetzee won more rounds anyway.

Ambling Alp wrote:

RazorKO wrote:Coetzee vs Snipes - Worst decision in History. Snipes gets floored twice and fights for survivial in the first 7 rounds. Then Snipes is announced the winner? The most bullshit decision Ive ever seen.

I agree that Coetzee should have got the decision, but I did want to point something out in defense of the judges, that I believe some else mentioned a while back. There wasn't a 10 point must system in this fight. It was scored by rounds. If it was scored by the 10 point must system and if they would have Coetzee two of the rounds 10-8, Coetzee would have won.
I still think that Coetzee won more rounds anyway.

Good point, i forgot about they scored the fight on a round basis but Gerrie would of been a clear winner if it was judged on a 10 point must system.

But as you said I still think Coetzee won more rounds, Snipes did win a very comfortable round 9, won round 8 but round 10 I think could of gone either way. On a round scoring I had it 7 - 2 - 1 Coetzee.

Decagon wrote:

RazorKO wrote:Gerrie would of been a clear winner if it was judged on a 10 point must system.

... and if my aunt had a dick, she'd be my uncle, right?

Didnt you just say that exact same quote about 17 times before? Or are just mad that someone has the decency to talk about Tyson as a fighter and not judging his ring performance soley on what he did outside the ring?

Decagon wrote:

RazorKO wrote:

Decagon wrote: ... and if my aunt had a dick, she'd be my uncle, right?

Didnt you just say that exact same quote about 17 times before? Or are just mad that someone has the decency to talk about Tyson as a fighter and not judging his ring performance soley on what he did outside the ring?

Well, here are the results of a forum search on how many times I've used simply the word "aunt" before:

http://www.boxrec.com/forum/search.php?mode=results

It seems that you suck as much at analyzing people as you do at analyzing fights.

So in other words your saying Snipes won the decision. Your right, you do suck at anyalising fights.

RazorKO wrote:So in other words your saying Snipes won the decision. Your right, you do suck at anyalising fights.

I think Snipes did win the decision, didn't he?

The Great John L wrote:

RazorKO wrote:So in other words your saying Snipes won the decision. Your right, you do suck at anyalising fights.

I think Snipes did win the decision, didn't he?

He won and Coetzee was disgraceful robbed. Gerrie dominated him and floored him twice through out the fight. But decagon thinks Snipes should of won it anyway.

He obviously hasnt seen the fight.

Decagon wrote:Oh, please. I once heard you say that Frans Botha beat Mike Tyson.

Your the one who uses the same insult 17 TIMES!