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pundit wrote:

silkov wrote:

pundit wrote: Lacy should fire his entire team. How can you throw such a limited, unexperienced fighter to the lions at this stage of his career.

Inexperienced?...he'd had 6 title fights already?... he just wasn't good enough... he's hardly a baby at 27, 6 years as a pro and a long Amutuer career!!!.....

Whatever, he wasn't ready for JC, and his team should have known this.

That latter comment is ridiculous! Is it meant to be comedic?

I mean Lacy was the favourite with ALL the bookies, 12 of 13 'experts' on Secondsout.com said Lacy would win, even Boxing News thought he would win.

Did you point that Lacy owuld be out of your depth before the fight? If so please show us the post....

E wrote:

pundit wrote:

silkov wrote: Inexperienced?...he'd had 6 title fights already?... he just wasn't good enough... he's hardly a baby at 27, 6 years as a pro and a long Amutuer career!!!.....

Whatever, he wasn't ready for JC, and his team should have known this.

That latter comment is ridiculous! Is it meant to be comedic?

I mean Lacy was the favourite with ALL the bookies, 12 of 13 'experts' on Secondsout.com said Lacy would win, even Boxing News thought he would win.

Did you point that Lacy owuld be out of your depth before the fight? If so please show us the post....

12 of 13 experts? Man, they asked their IT guy for fucks sake.

The fact is that just about 100% of the American media thought Lacy would win and win big... Lacy was expected to not just win but to crush Calzaghe... it makes me wonder what videos if any of Joes fights Lacy and his people had seen prior to the fight... I'm thinking that they didn't see his fights vs Sheika, Reid, Woodhall, Brewer... amongst others... if they did then they really should have known better...

silkov wrote:The fact is that just about 100% of the American media thought Lacy would win and win big... Lacy was expected to not just win but to crush Calzaghe... it makes me wonder what videos if any of Joes fights Lacy and his people had seen prior to the fight... I'm thinking that they didn't see his fights vs Sheika, Reid, Woodhall, Brewer... amongst others... if they did then they really should have known better...

Probably didn't. I wouldn't exactly call the media the best means of information either. Do your own research and make your own opinions, rather than have someone give it to you. That at least makes you feel like you formulated your own ideas, even if they are far off base...(like Lacy KO in 9)

livingstone cole wrote:I went for Calzaghe TKO 10 Lacy and to be honest that's when the ref or the corner should have called, not because of my prediction but by that time it was so painfully obvious that Joe was running away with it and that one punch wasn't coming. To be honest in the front of my thoughts was Benn Vs Mclellan. He took far to many clean headshots, the cornermen should be ashamed.

I did get that feeling too, especially in the last round... I also think that the ref delayed things in the last round to help Lacy through, with friends like that Jeff don't need enemies...

livingstone cole wrote:I went for Calzaghe TKO 10 Lacy and to be honest that's when the ref or the corner should have called, not because of my prediction but by that time it was so painfully obvious that Joe was running away with it and that one punch wasn't coming. To be honest in the front of my thoughts was Benn Vs Mclellan. He took far to many clean headshots, the cornermen should be ashamed.

Much. much, much, much less messy than Benn/McClellan. A lot of shit happened there they maybe should not have, but Lacy held his own fate and got crunched.

E wrote: Did you point that Lacy owuld be out of your depth before the fight? If so please show us the post....

http://www.boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... ht=#447711

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Manos de Oro wrote:

silkov wrote:Yeah, Shaws face at ringside was a sight to see... he looked like a kid who'd had his sweets taken away. He only tried to get Lacy pulled out in the last minute of the fight, which is pretty awful really... he showed very little compassion for his fighter...

Not only that, he showed very little business sense as well. Investing all that money in Lacy, then having no foresight that his fighter was horribly in over his head - which was sharply apparent even before the halfway stage. A fighter can lose years in the crucial minutes they're fighting from nothing but instinct. The sad thing is it isn't that surprising with Shaw; to be honest, I expect he and Finkel probably flew from Manchester to Manilla yesterday: "sucky, sucky - more money". Gross.

I knew Lacy was in over his head before the fight. They were fornicating stupid to even think about fighting Calzaghe.

They should have had a couple more defences and waited for JC to move up before trying for other champs.

Hell, Lacy could have made a defence against Manfredo jnr, that would have sold.

Basically Gary Shaw has fucked Lacy's career, no fornicating idea of matchmaking. I find that throughout the sport these days.

KO Artist wrote:

Manos de Oro wrote:

silkov wrote:Yeah, Shaws face at ringside was a sight to see... he looked like a kid who'd had his sweets taken away. He only tried to get Lacy pulled out in the last minute of the fight, which is pretty awful really... he showed very little compassion for his fighter...

Not only that, he showed very little business sense as well. Investing all that money in Lacy, then having no foresight that his fighter was horribly in over his head - which was sharply apparent even before the halfway stage. A fighter can lose years in the crucial minutes they're fighting from nothing but instinct. The sad thing is it isn't that surprising with Shaw; to be honest, I expect he and Finkel probably flew from Manchester to Manilla yesterday: "sucky, sucky - more money". Gross.

I knew Lacy was in over his head before the fight. They were fornicating stupid to even think about fighting Calzaghe.

They should have had a couple more defences and waited for JC to move up before trying for other champs.

Hell, Lacy could have made a defence against Manfredo jnr, that would have sold.

Basically Gary Shaw has fucked Lacy's career, no fornicating idea of matchmaking. I find that throughout the sport these days.

Warren included in that list. He did a good job this time for Joe, but you have to admit he has been known to spoonfeed his fighters carcasses....very Stacy Goodson of him.

pundit wrote:

E wrote: Did you point that Lacy owuld be out of your depth before the fight? If so please show us the post....

http://www.boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... ht=#447711

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Fair enough - altough you do add the get out clause "If Calzaghe can avoid or withstand Lacy's power-punches he will win." I mean that was the whole argument for all those saying Lacy would win - that he would be too strong and hard punching, but Calzaghe negated all that. That was the whole question mark. Noone said Lacy would outbox Joe.

I mean your argument is like saying X fighter can avoid being hit by Y fighter then he will win. No sh1t Sherlock.

Anyway as you were so sure you must have made thoudands on the sportsbooks - did you?

E wrote:

pundit wrote:

E wrote: Did you point that Lacy owuld be out of your depth before the fight? If so please show us the post....

http://www.boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... ht=#447711

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Fair enough - altough you do add the get out clause "If Calzaghe can avoid or withstand Lacy's power-punches he will win." I mean that was the whole argument for all those saying Lacy would win - that he would be too strong and hard punching, but Calzaghe negated all that. That was the whole question mark. Noone said Lacy would outbox Joe.

I mean your argument is like saying X fighter can avoid being hit by Y fighter then he will win. No sh1t Sherlock.

Anyway as you were so sure you must have made thoudands on the sportsbooks - did you?

The only place where I made a bet is here - Calzaghe TKO 6. However, Lacy stood on his legs longer than I thoght he would.

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