Opinions of Boxrec. members requested.

walshb · Post by **walshb** » 23 Mar 2006, 08:54

Just a quick question....does anyone besides me think their is a big difference between two superbly trained consenting adults fighting over 12rds in a combat they idolise and have lived for their whole lives who get paid handsome amounts of cash and the forced blooding of and fighting to the death of two dogs??, because if you read some of the posters here, they are slating fight fans for watching the G-man box and they are trying to compare it to dog fighting

walshb · Post by **walshb** » 23 Mar 2006, 09:12

Last post on this guys:

I hear some saying 'why punish the guy for something he did yrs ago'...well I say that if Gerald was healthy today, there's a strong possibility he'd still be engaging in the barbaric dog fighting. So cruel as it may sound, and I really do not intend to sound so, I'm sure a lot of dogs will be sleeping a little sounder in their kennels.

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 23 Mar 2006, 11:30

walshb wrote:You are an absolute asrehole. If you read my message properly you would realise this. Not everyone who supports boxing and I'm assuming you do Silkov, wants to see guys getting hurt and injured. Is that too hard for you to fathom?. I love to see two finely tuned, consenting adults participating over 12 rds of boxing, each one giving it their all to win. Yes there is corruption, malice and some hatred, but the whole idea of boxing is to beat your opponent by force. That doesn't mean that a fan needs to see them suffer terrible injuries. Like in NFL, I do like to see a rough tough, physical and fair game, but I don't want to see guys getting carried off on fornicating stretchers. These sports are physically demanding, we love them, we support them and then we have arsewipes like you coming on with your bleeding heatrts theory because some of us disagree with giving charity, or disagree with giving charity to a guy who we mostly believe to have put animals through unbearable pain.

Maybe if you study more closely the posts you will realise that some people do not give to charity no matter who the recipient, and if I was asked to donate charity to Michael Watson or Gerald, knowing what I do, I would choose Watson. That does not make me a bleeding heart, I just chose a guy who has never been involved in a sinister activity, not to mention the despicable act of dog fighting, so shame on you Silkov for trying to twist and manipulate peoples views as regards this.

If you're going to try and insult me mate at least learn how to spell arsehole.... prat.

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 23 Mar 2006, 11:32

walshb wrote:Last post on this guys:

I hear some saying 'why punish the guy for something he did yrs ago'...well I say that if Gerald was healthy today, there's a strong possibility he'd still be engaging in the barbaric dog fighting. So cruel as it may sound, and I really do not intend to sound so, I'm sure a lot of dogs will be sleeping a little sounder in their kennels.

Yeah, why don't you go away and do some knitting!...

RazorKO · Post by **RazorKO** » 23 Mar 2006, 12:39

walshb wrote:Last post on this guys:

I hear some saying 'why punish the guy for something he did yrs ago'...well I say that if Gerald was healthy today, there's a strong possibility he'd still be engaging in the barbaric dog fighting. So cruel as it may sound, and I really do not intend to sound so, I'm sure a lot of dogs will be sleeping a little sounder in their kennels.

Dog fighting is wrong, but it isnt the end of the world. Many fighters as I said have done worse things than Gerald - Listion used to beat up old women and rob them, Lyle tortured and shot 2 rival gang members in his youth and the vile crimes Berbick and Tony Alaya Jr commited are far worse when compared to McClelan, that is if you consider dog fighting a crime.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 23 Mar 2006, 13:35

tyson use to offer to carry old ladies groceries, and then he would knock there teeth out and and steal there money!

- call me an arsehole but that sounds funny for some reason. perhaps its the "knocking old ladies teeth out" part that makes me laugh, considering my Nona's can take her teeth out using her hand. so i doubt tyson knocking my Nona's teeth out will have much of an effect on her!

walshb · Post by **walshb** » 24 Mar 2006, 03:11

Great comeback Silkov, guess you just ran out of steam!!!!

walshb · Post by **walshb** » 24 Mar 2006, 05:54

Ok Silkov let's call a truce??, but just answer me this. Reading your views on Gerald, you seem to be implying that watching Gerald fight is in some way the same as watching dogs fighting. Surely two trained athletes who are being paid to do combat in a sport they love and have dedicated their lives to, who also have consented is a hell of a lot different than the forced blooding of and then fighting of two dogs, who have absolute no choice and who are fought to the death. I have said before that I do not wish the guy any more harm or hurt and do feel sorry for anyone suffering like he is, but when you hear that the person suffering caused so much unnecessary pain to animals, it's not at all unnatural to lose a lot of that initial sympathy and then being asked to donate cash to him. It's a little hard to take for certain people and I certainly would not criticise anyone for being appalled and unhappy that he would be receiving this, over others who quite possibly deserve it more.

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 24 Mar 2006, 11:57

walshb wrote:Ok Silkov let's call a truce??, but just answer me this. Reading your views on Gerald, you seem to be implying that watching Gerald fight is in some way the same as watching dogs fighting. Surely two trained athletes who are being paid to do combat in a sport they love and have dedicated their lives to, who also have consented is a hell of a lot different than the forced blooding of and then fighting of two dogs, who have absolute no choice and who are fought to the death. I have said before that I do not wish the guy any more harm or hurt and do feel sorry for anyone suffering like he is, but when you hear that the person suffering caused so much unnecessary pain to animals, it's not at all unnatural to lose a lot of that initial sympathy and then being asked to donate cash to him. It's a little hard to take for certain people and I certainly would not criticise anyone for being appalled and unhappy that he would be receiving this, over others who quite possibly deserve it more.

I'm not implying that at all... what I'm saying is that if you are happy to watch a guy fight and lay on the line but then want to turn your back on him when he gets hurt because of some things that he may, (and remember many of those instances with the dogs could have been exagerated!) then that strikes me as rather hypocritical to say the least. If we judge what help sick people get due to what they may or may not have done over the course of their lives then theres going to be a lot of abadoned ambulance cases by the roadsides. Aside from dog fighting a lot of people whether they are boxers or not have have done some pretty horrible things and have some pretty weird habits... if Gerald should be abandoned because of the dog fighting then many others should be abadoned for the many other things that they have done...

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 24 Mar 2006, 12:03

walshb wrote:Ok Silkov let's call a truce??, but just answer me this. Reading your views on Gerald, you seem to be implying that watching Gerald fight is in some way the same as watching dogs fighting. Surely two trained athletes who are being paid to do combat in a sport they love and have dedicated their lives to, who also have consented is a hell of a lot different than the forced blooding of and then fighting of two dogs, who have absolute no choice and who are fought to the death. I have said before that I do not wish the guy any more harm or hurt and do feel sorry for anyone suffering like he is, but when you hear that the person suffering caused so much unnecessary pain to animals, it's not at all unnatural to lose a lot of that initial sympathy and then being asked to donate cash to him. It's a little hard to take for certain people and I certainly would not criticise anyone for being appalled and unhappy that he would be receiving this, over others who quite possibly deserve it more.

As for others deserving help more, I don't think the dogfighting should mean Gerald doesn't deserve treatment, that is just callous... its always struck me that many people who are so fanatical about the rights of animals are at the same time cruel and uncaring about their fellow human beings... Gerald is blind, deaf, braindamaged and dependant on 24 hour care.... anyone who thinks that he deserves this or that he should be left alone to rot because of what he may have done 10+ years ago is nothing short of sadistic....

MEISINGER · Post by **MEISINGER** » 24 Mar 2006, 14:02

As for others deserving help more, I don't think the dogfighting should mean Gerald doesn't deserve treatment, that is just callous... its always struck me that many people who are so fanatical about the rights of animals are at the same time cruel and uncaring about their fellow human beings... Gerald is blind, deaf, braindamaged and dependant on 24 hour care.... anyone who thinks that he deserves this or that he should be left alone to rot because of what he may have done 10+ years ago is nothing short of sadistic....[/quote]

SILKOV YOU SAID IT BEST BROTHER.
HE MAY HAVE DONE BAD THINGS BUT GERALD NEEDS HELP.AS DO ALOT OF OTHER LESSER KNOWN FIGHTERS.

walshb · Post by **walshb** » 26 Mar 2006, 03:36

Silkov, I agree that there are a lot of people out there who care more for animals and their animals than there own children and I agree it's very hypocritical. I have no animals and I'm in no way a big animal rights activist but it does not take a big animal lover or activist to realise that the forced barbaric act of dog fighting is despicable and not right. Also, why bring up other fighters and their wrong doing, I also would not have the greatest sympathy for them too. If it was Tyson, I'd also be a little hesitant seeing as he is a convicted rapist. I'd be more inclined to donate to Rape crisis organisations or victims of rape. So you see where I'm coming from. Like I've said it's very natural for any person to lose a great deal of Sympathy when they hear of Gerald's possible involvement in this activity, not 100%, but still a lot. But to say they should be ashamed to feel this way, I think is very wrong.