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Whether medical professionals agree with me or not, I consider Mike Tyson to be a sociopath. However, my suspicion about Desiree Washington, is that she had consensual sex with him, and then cried rape after the fact. And if anyone thinks that's just the opinion of a totally sexist male, then all I can say is, you should have heard what some of my female African-American co-workers were saying about Washington during the trial.

Arsenal wrote:Matty we don't always agree but well said.

Razor could you answer the question I asked. What would you do if a convicted rapist , who said he was innocent wanted to date your sister or mother? What would you do?

I can't believe some of the arguments people are using to defend Tyson. Listen we are all lads on here but some of you really worry me with your attitudes to women. If you were at a party a women is so drunk she can't stand up and can't really talk but earlier she said she likes you and wanted to sleep with you. She's half dressed and laying on a bed but is really pissed, would you have sex with her? If any of you say yes or even think about it then I can understand why you are defending Tyson.

The first post was not my material but someone else's which I had copied and pasted here but I still agree with what he said. With that now out of the way I will go to your question, I havent got a sister, if I had of course I wouldnt let her date him- But that does has nothing to do with Tyson's rape case. Tyson was found guilty over so much controversy that even the most extreme Tyson hater has to admitt the facts e.g Washington had liked 3 times previously, No bruising found etc.

Arsenal wrote:Matty we don't always agree but well said.

Razor could you answer the question I asked. What would you do if a convicted rapist , who said he was innocent wanted to date your sister or mother? What would you do?

I can't believe some of the arguments people are using to defend Tyson. Listen we are all lads on here but some of you really worry me with your attitudes to women. If you were at a party a women is so drunk she can't stand up and can't really talk but earlier she said she likes you and wanted to sleep with you. She's half dressed and laying on a bed but is really pissed, would you have sex with her? If any of you say yes or even think about it then I can understand why you are defending Tyson.

These arguements are facts which are stated in this book and I recommend people here read it. Why do people have to jump to pittiful conclusions Its always 'You are defending Tyson, that means you are as bad as him' or 'Why are you defending a Convicted 'Rapist? Thats what Im getting here, just because I am defending him doesnt mean I believe women should be treated like shit. You are talking things ALL out of proportion here.

RAZOR YOUR ARGUMENT IS AN INSULT TO ALL WOMEN WHO HAVE SUFFERED THE TRAUMA.
HAVE YOU EVER HAD A CLOSE FRIEND OR FAMILY MEMBER GO THROUGH THE HORRIFIC ORDEAL OF RAPE?I THINK BY YOUR IDIOTIC REMARKS YOU HAVE NOT.
HAVING AN OPPINION IS ONE THING,BUT TO GENERALIZE THE CRIME WITH WHAT YOU CALL FACTS IS NEARLY A CRIME IN ITS SELF.
TYSON WAS FOUND GUILTY.HE SERVED HIS TIME AND THAT IS WHAT NEEDED TO BE DONE IN THE EYES OF THE LAW.TYSON STILL MAINTAINS HIS INNOCENSE AND THAT IS BETWEEN HIM AND GOD.
YOU SAY THAT TYSON GIVES MONEY TO CHARITIES.SO DID ADOLPH HITLER,JEFFREY DAHMER AND AL CAPONE.GIVING MONEY DOES NOT MAKE YOU A GOOD PERSON IT IS A TAX WRITE OFF.I DONATE MYSELF AND I AINT NO SAINT.
YOUR LOGIC IS FLAWED.

People are a bit quick for my taste here to denounce every comment that casts doubt on Tyson's guilt as an "insult against women".

Every criminal accusation needs to be checked carefully in order not to sentence an innocent man, and as a consequence all doubts that existed and exist in this case warrant proper scrutiny.

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MEISINGER wrote:RAZOR YOUR ARGUMENT IS AN INSULT TO ALL WOMEN WHO HAVE SUFFERED THE TRAUMA.
HAVE YOU EVER HAD A CLOSE FRIEND OR FAMILY MEMBER GO THROUGH THE HORRIFIC ORDEAL OF RAPE?I THINK BY YOUR IDIOTIC REMARKS YOU HAVE NOT.
HAVING AN OPPINION IS ONE THING,BUT TO GENERALIZE THE CRIME WITH WHAT YOU CALL FACTS IS NEARLY A CRIME IN ITS SELF.
TYSON WAS FOUND GUILTY.HE SERVED HIS TIME AND THAT IS WHAT NEEDED TO BE DONE IN THE EYES OF THE LAW.TYSON STILL MAINTAINS HIS INNOCENSE AND THAT IS BETWEEN HIM AND GOD.
YOU SAY THAT TYSON GIVES MONEY TO CHARITIES.SO DID ADOLPH HITLER,JEFFREY DAHMER AND AL CAPONE.GIVING MONEY DOES NOT MAKE YOU A GOOD PERSON IT IS A TAX WRITE OFF.I DONATE MYSELF AND I AINT NO SAINT.
YOUR LOGIC IS FLAWED.

Read the first page again dumbass and its my opinion, if you dont like it than tough, this is message board not a Anti-Tyson site where Facists like yourselves dont like it when other people have different views. I also said the first post was not my material and if it was I would of worded it my way, but I still COMPLETLY AGREE on what this person has stated. All this was from the Alan's book.

HAVING AN OPPINION IS ONE THING,BUT TO GENERALIZE THE CRIME WITH WHAT YOU CALL FACTS IS NEARLY A CRIME IN ITS SELF

. Show me the generalisation

YOU SAY THAT TYSON GIVES MONEY TO CHARITIES.SO DID ADOLPH HITLER,JEFFREY DAHMER AND AL CAPONE.

I smell a bullshitter. Other than that spell Adolf right

Hmm I never thought I'd see the word "Tyson" and "Innocence" in the same sentence. Sort of like hearing the words...."Hand me that Piano" It's just not something your expecting to hear or see in print.

.YOU LOOK FOR A CHANCE TO HAVE HOSTILITY.I HAVE A FEELING THAT YOU LIKE TO THROW OBSCENE WORDS INTO EVERY CONVERSATION YOU HAVE.
YOU NEED TO RELAX DUDE.
YOUR OPPINIONS ARE FINE TO HAVE BUT DEFENDING A RAPIST IS CRAZY.
YOUR USE OF SWEARING IS NOT CALLED FOR AND IS CHILDISH.PLEASE REFRAIN FROM USING OBSCENE LANGUAGE TO GET YOUR POINT ACROSS.
I AM STATING MY OPPINION JUST THE SAME AS YOU ARE STATING YOURS.MY OPPINION IS FROM SOMEONE WHO HAS LIVED THROUGH THE TRAUMA OF THE CRIME.I ALWAYS FIND IT AMAZING THAT PEOPLE DEFEND THE RAPIST AND ATTACK THE VICTIM.GO THROUGH THE TRAUMA AND SEE IF YOUR OPPINION IS THE SAME.

I'm going to give a quick reminder here . I know this is a very powerful subject lads....but keep the language civil please:

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What does trolling mean?

Touchy subject, Tyson had a history of disrespecting women, this time it caught up to him....

Razor, firstly people are not facists because they disagree with you. Secondly the fact you state you wouldn't let your sister go out with a convicted rapist but that Tyson is innocent proves my point. Because he is a sporting hero of yours that is clouding your judgement. I believe that you yourself are probably a decent person who is disgusted by rape like most of us here BUT defending Tyson based on things like " she had no bruising" is pittiful. As I said rape doesn't have to be agressive or violent. Its about consent and power.

generic screen name wrote:What does trolling mean?
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Different opinions on this, for the most part on the internet a troll is someone who just spews hateful, racist, or outrageous stuff for no other purpose than to raise hell. Their purpose is pointless other than to cause chaos, friction, or anger or to just vent where it is not appropriate.

It should be easy enough to tell the difference between honest passion and trolling but some would argue that it can be tricky.

Does that count the "who's gayer" posts?

If what Mike Tyson did was considered rape, then I am a rapist too. Washington was hanging all over him, all night on the town. Then she accompanies him back to his hotel room.....come on........... If what happened wasn't consentual, then I don't know what a "dick tease" is... I should have been sitting in the cell next to Mike, when I think of my old college exploits. Mike was railroaded..... :( Never said Mike was a nice guy, but I don't think he raped her.....she changed her mind after the fact IMHO.

ringsider wrote:If what Mike Tyson did was considered rape, then I am a rapist too. Washington was hanging all over him, all night on the town. Then she accompanies him back to his hotel room.....come on........... If what happened wasn't consentual, then I don't know what a "dick tease" is... I should have been sitting in the cell next to Mike, when I think of my old college exploits. Mike was railroaded..... :( Never said Mike was a nice guy, but I don't think he raped her.....she changed her mind after the fact IMHO.

Ringsider you are an w**ker! You should be ashamed of yourself. From that statement you sound like a rapist. Sick b**tard!

There was MAJOR physical evidence of rape in that case. Washington was pretty badly hurt

Sorry Decagon but that is a load of crap. Can you please state a link to prove this because the whole kangeroo trial was her word against his.

A 220 pound man like Tyson would of made bruises whilst holding down a some 105 pound Washington but nothing was found. Tyson is however stupid and should of known better for letting Don King take control of his side of the trial.

Why bruises? Do you think it would be hard for him to hold her down?I've had boxing fights and come out with no brusing even though I've been hit.

Razor so you wouldn't let your sister go out with a rapist. But Tyson is different becasue it was controversial? B*ll*ks! Most people deny they are guilty. So would you let your sister go out with a rapist who's trial was controversial? Of course not. You are defending Tyson because he is Tyson not because he is innocent! If not maybe you should you should set up a legal practice to defend all men accused of rape. Or maybe just the controversial ones!

Arsenal wrote:Why bruises? Do you think it would be hard for him to hold her down?I've had boxing fights and come out with no brusing even though I've been hit.

Razor so you wouldn't let your sister go out with a rapist. But Tyson is different becasue it was controversial? B*ll*ks! Most people deny they are guilty. So would you let your sister go out with a rapist who's trial was controversial? Of course not. You are defending Tyson because he is Tyson not because he is innocent! If not maybe you should you should set up a legal practice to defend all men accused of rape. Or maybe just the controversial ones!

I am defending Tyson because I am still just totatly amazed on how he got convicted from what I read up on the trial. The trial/charges brought against Tyson, were extremely flawed i.e. witnesses who claimed to see Tyson/Washington kissing, were not allowed to testify. - Thats only one of the many little facts that make this case very very suspicious.

Decagon wrote:

RazorKO wrote:

There was MAJOR physical evidence of rape in that case. Washington was pretty badly hurt

Sorry Decagon but that is a load of crap. Can you please state a link to prove this because the whole kangeroo trial was her word against his.

A 220 pound man like Tyson would of made bruises whilst holding down a some 105 pound Washington but nothing was found. Tyson is however stupid and should of known better for letting Don King take control of his side of the trial.

Remember when Robin Givens took the stand? Do you remember what her testimony was? That Tyson liked rough sex, and that would explain the bruising found on Washington. Here's a quote from a VERY pro-Tyson article:

From Black Los Angeles
Even if you believe that he brutally raped her because her vaginal area was bruised, where were the bruises on her arms, legs, or even face?

Thats the first Ive ever heard of any bruising - From what I found out from the trial is that Tyson like rough sex which might explain the brusing - But Ive never heard any bruises being fought wheter it be on her vaginal area or her arms and legs. But in conclusion Tyson was just plain stupid giving King power of Attourney and letting King portray him as a monster in court. Tyson should of known better and because of his stupidity he has to now innocently suffer with this burden for the rest of his life.

Yep kissing means he couldn't have raped her! W**ker!

The one thing that's always stayed with me is the fact that when Tyson was offered his freedom in exchange for apologizing to Washington he chose to serve out his sentence rather than "apologize for something I didn't do." Now, whether he raped her or not, or in his twisted mind he did rape her but didn't consider it rape, I have to give him credit for sticking up for his principles when he could have gotten out of jail just for saying a few simple words.

Arsenal wrote:Yep kissing means he couldn't have raped her! W**ker!

So now you're calling me a Wanker because I disagree with your view. Typical Limey yob behaviour. No wonder fighters like Lacy lost because people like you treat foreign fighters like scum, as well as booing other country's national anthem.

Explain Endorsing date rape, I can not find that in my post. People here think that anyone who is defending Tyson is insulting ALL women, they should get of their high horse and accept other people's opinions. Although I dont expect anything different from the typical European cockroach.

RazorKO wrote:

Arsenal wrote:Yep kissing means he couldn't have raped her! W**ker!

So now you're calling me a Wanker because I disagree with your view. Typical Limey yob behaviour. No wonder fighters like Lacy lost because people like you treat foreign fighters like scum, as well as booing other country's national anthem.

Coming from a guy in South Africa youve got some nerve

KO Artist wrote:

RazorKO wrote:

Arsenal wrote:Yep kissing means he couldn't have raped her! W**ker!

So now you're calling me a Wanker because I disagree with your view. Typical Limey yob behaviour. No wonder fighters like Lacy lost because people like you treat foreign fighters like scum, as well as booing other country's national anthem.

Coming from a guy in South Africa youve got some nerve

The British yob is what is poisoning this sport so Ive only stated the TRUTH. But I like the English, the South Africans and the English fought side by side in Eypgt and North Africa against Hitler as well as Burma against the Imperial Japanese army. Also Ricky Hatton plus David Haye are two of my favourite current fighters today, I just DESPISE not only British yobs, but European yobs in general who like to attack people in gangs of about 40. I just hope that these yobs will come down here as if these European yobs want to fight - I promise you our police and our people will GIVE them a fight.

You never see the Americans misbehaving as their police are strict and do not tolerate disgraceful bad behaviour.