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tonyevs wrote:

Wales wrote:If I remember correctly Jirov stood between every round against Tony too, some fighters prefer it as your lungs can fully open and breathing is easier to control.

This is what I meant, if the question marks about Davids stamina are correct then....

Standing between rnd and the trainer fanning the towel on a fighter just gives me the impression the fighter is tired.

Ali standing between rnds, was this an old Ali?

Ali v Frazier 3rd fight.

David Haye tried his best for two rounds to take his man out with a big KO but remembering the Thompson fight he slowed the pace from round three and took it steady - IMO Haye lost one round so he was well in front when the stoppage came - Tough opponent, he took as Carl Thompson did all of Hayes best shots and still came back with his own - Question: Is Haye not at his best because he struggles to make the weight or is he finding the step up in class hard to deal with - Haye said he was at his best - Can he cope at the top level - Would he cope with the big heavyweights if he moved up from cruiser - He has been exciting to watch but I hate to think of him in with Williams or Skelton - 15 stone which is heavy for him against 18 and 19 stone men seems to me a bit much - He has faster footwork and good skills and age on his side also so maybe he can - I hope my concerns are unjustified, it would be great to see him get to the top at cruiser and then go on to be a successful heavy - They had to turn people away at the York hall, the crowds love David Haye and soon they will have to put him on at the big venues

I gave Johannsen one round and share of another I think. Haye looked a little uncomfortable in the 3rd and 4th, almsot as if he was thinking too much.

Overall not a bad performance, and Haye got some rounds in. There's a lot of areas he can improve upon still, but fighting at heavyweight would be a massive mistake. He won't carry more than 215 well and I don't think he has the combination of power, technique and ability to carry a shot he would need.

Someone like Skelton, for all his flaws would overwhelm him.

I wish he'd give it a rest with this heavyweight talk. His game is all based upon power, and he hasn't even knocked out a genuine world class Cruiserweight yet. Quite how he's going to compete with the heavyweights is beyond me, because he'll be in with guys who hit a damn sight harder than him. All this talk of struggling with the weight sounds dodgy to me as well. I'm firmly in the Johnny Nelson camp on this one: He's complaining about the weight because he doesn't like training hard.

Bit of a curates egg last night: some good points, some bad points, and a lot of questions. I don't believe he's sorted his stamina out, those rounds were not exactly hard-fought. I'm sure Haye believes he's above it, but I want to see him in with Hobson. I don't know if Haye could last the pace that Hobson-Maccarinelli was fought at, although it's possible he could finish it early. And I do worry about his corner. I found myself wishing that Jim Watt was speaking to Haye, rather than us viewers, because I think Haye needs a rocket up his arse. Whether he'd listen is another matter.....

I couldn't see Hobson and especially Macca taking Haye's power at all. I think a pressure fighter is the guy to beat Haye, not upright boxers like these two. Macca is ultra mechanical. I believe Gurov is better than Macca...

states wrote:I wish he'd give it a rest with this heavyweight talk. His game is all based upon power, and he hasn't even knocked out a genuine world class Cruiserweight yet. Quite how he's going to compete with the heavyweights is beyond me, because he'll be in with guys who hit a damn sight harder than him. All this talk of struggling with the weight sounds dodgy to me as well. I'm firmly in the Johnny Nelson camp on this one: He's complaining about the weight because he doesn't like training hard

You know what States i have been thinking exactly the same thing. I don't think he is ultra tight at the weight at all, i think if he knuckled down and did some serious training he would make the new inflated Cruiserweight limit no problem. I think all this talk of moving up to Heavyweight is putting too much of a rush on his Cruiserweight ambitions, he says he wants to unify the Cruiserweight titles and move up etc but he hasn't faced anyone truly world class yet. Not a dig at him, i think his progression so far has been very promising but if he only has 3 more fights at the weight (and he was talking about a Thompson rematch) where does he plan on fitting all this in exactly? He should knuckle down to the weight and defend his European title again and fight someone like Hobson or Macarinelli along the way before making an ascent on the world scene.

Of course this is all just my opinion, for all i know he could be desperately struggling at the weight. But all these pictures of him DJ'ing and smoking cigars in nightclubs don't really invoke my sympathy for a "weight drained fighter"...get him out of that designer gym in London and stick him on Hartlepool beach with Neal Fannon's lot or up trekking the Scottish mountains with Scott Harrison, he will be a bloody Super Middleweight

steve689 wrote:I get the feeling Haye calls all the shots in that corner anyway, i can just imagine it:

Adam Booth "Sit down David"

David Haye "No i want to stand"

Adam Booth "Ok stand up"

Followed by back slapping and whooping from the others in his corner.

Yeah Booth may just be a cheerleader