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Decagon wrote:

garye wrote:Benn hit harder than McClelan or Jackson, no question about that.

If you disagree, you haven't seen Benn's first 22 fights or the footage of him in West Germany in 1982.

Well, there's a difference. Most of Benn's knockouts came over lesser competition, while Jackson and McClellan each took out a number of top fighters with one punch. When Benn stepped up, the knockouts stopped coming.

Bullshit. He never went for the knockout, after the Watson and Eubank losses he fought far more strategically but brought the beast back for Barkley and McClellan.

McClellan had the strongest chin I ever saw, he was pretty much brain-damaged from the start of the second round against Benn onwards and should of been knocked out about 10 times over in that round alone. Benn basically says that McClellan's chin and strength were unbelievable, because he said McClellan was the first guy he hit as hard as he could since Watson (or Watson's arms shall we say, lol).

Decagon wrote:

silkov wrote:Did Geralds Dog fighting stop you watching his fights when he boxed?...

Watching someone fight is a lot different than sending him money.

So he was good enough for you to watch but then you can choose to discard him when he's hurt because of the dogfighting... all rather hypocritcal I'd say mate... I'm not saying you should give him money personally but you shouldn't be critcising others that do and you shouldnt keep bringing up the dogfights. When Mcclellan was fighting did you used to say 'I'm not watching him because of the dog fights' no you didn't, ...so why is it an issue now?...

KOJOE90 wrote:

Decagon wrote:Well, there's a difference. Most of Benn's knockouts came over lesser competition, while Jackson and McClellan each took out a number of top fighters with one punch. When Benn stepped up, the knockouts stopped coming.

Decagon

I basically agree wth you, but I also feel a major factore in Benns reductions in KO's was also due to moving up to 168lbs. Benn was never a big Middleweight so when he moved up a division was often facing naturally bigger guys.

In the first few years of his career Benn often stated that if the money was right he could make Light-Middleweight.

I agree that Benn always looked smaller than his opponents. I always wondered why he moved up. I think Benn is in their league for power but maybe not quite as high. I'd back him to KO Jackson.

Ezzard wrote:

KOJOE90 wrote:

Decagon wrote:Well, there's a difference. Most of Benn's knockouts came over lesser competition, while Jackson and McClellan each took out a number of top fighters with one punch. When Benn stepped up, the knockouts stopped coming.

Decagon

I basically agree wth you, but I also feel a major factore in Benns reductions in KO's was also due to moving up to 168lbs. Benn was never a big Middleweight so when he moved up a division was often facing naturally bigger guys.

In the first few years of his career Benn often stated that if the money was right he could make Light-Middleweight.

I agree that Benn always looked smaller than his opponents. I always wondered why he moved up. I think Benn is in their league for power but maybe not quite as high. I'd back him to KO Jackson.

I think Benn moved up to chase a Eubank rematch.

To be continued tomorrow.......

So it's bad for Mclellan to fight dogs but O.K. for Jones to fight Cocks?

Decagon wrote:When did I ever say that? I don't like cockfighting at all and I think it should be banned, but killing chickens is nowhere near as bad as killing dogs.

Why not?

And they don't always die when they fight.

Decagon wrote:Ah! So they only get tortured a little. Much better.

When people box are they gettting tortured?

The dogs don't have to fight.

Decagon wrote:The dogs don't have to fight? Since when? They're tortured throughout their lives until they're conditioned to fight. You obviously know nothing about dogfighting and perhaps that's why you're so quick to defend Gerald. I suggest you read up on the subject before we continue.

Know nothing?

I've been to many dogfights and had some of my own.

It is you that should read up on the subject.

While they are biting eachother and shit they never decide to say hey this is dumb let's be friends they always keep fighting.

cool clip
wish i could download it


McClellan was a lunatic early in the fight......those bodyshots look painful as hell

pathetic

anything about McClellan turns into a bunch of women discussing karma and dog fighting

gimme a break ladies, this is a boxing forum

As I said from the start, where is the actual proof that McClellan was this brutal, dog-master who killed and tortured dogs for the fun of it? Where is the evidence...is it that one article that gets it's info from a couple of the more crooked of boxing people?

Decagon wrote:

silkov wrote:So he was good enough for you to watch but then you can choose to discard him when he's hurt because of the dogfighting... all rather hypocritcal I'd say mate... I'm not saying you should give him money personally but you shouldn't be critcising others that do and you shouldnt keep bringing up the dogfights. When Mcclellan was fighting did you used to say 'I'm not watching him because of the dog fights' no you didn't, ...so why is it an issue now?...

Tons of fighters are hurt right now. Tons of fighters are struggling to make ends meet with minimum-wage jobs. I'd simply rather support them than someone like McClelland. It's not like Gerald fought for free all those years.

Many fighters have done bad things in their lives... are you going to judge every fighter that gets hurt in the ring by what he may or may not have done in his life?... like I said before, Gerald was good enough for you to watch for your own entertainment but then when he got hurt you suddenly decide to say what a bad man Gerald is and that he should be basically abandoned for what he may have done to dogs years ago... which makes you a hypocrite in my book...

Decagon wrote:How has Gerald "paid what he owed" by engaging in dogfighting? What happened to him was terrible, and even though I'm a dog lover myself, I wouldn't disabuse anyone of sending money to his sister, but if he hadn't been injured, he'd probably still be torturing dogs to this day.

Because McClelan is in a state which is worse than death. Not only Gerald is suffering, his sisters are suffering from looking after him, I can think of fighters like Ron Lyle, Alaya jr, Liston, James Scott, Archie Moore,, Jumb Cummings etc who have commited worse crimes.

RazorKO wrote:

Decagon wrote:How has Gerald "paid what he owed" by engaging in dogfighting? What happened to him was terrible, and even though I'm a dog lover myself, I wouldn't disabuse anyone of sending money to his sister, but if he hadn't been injured, he'd probably still be torturing dogs to this day.

Because McClelan is in a state which is worse than death. Not only Gerald is suffering, his sisters are suffering from looking after him, I can think of fighters like Ron Lyle, Alaya jr, Liston, James Scott, Archie Moore,, Jumb Cummings etc who have commited worse crimes.

What crimes did Archie Moore commit?... the guy was a clean liver as far as I know...

silkov wrote:

RazorKO wrote:

Decagon wrote:How has Gerald "paid what he owed" by engaging in dogfighting? What happened to him was terrible, and even though I'm a dog lover myself, I wouldn't disabuse anyone of sending money to his sister, but if he hadn't been injured, he'd probably still be torturing dogs to this day.

Because McClelan is in a state which is worse than death. Not only Gerald is suffering, his sisters are suffering from looking after him, I can think of fighters like Ron Lyle, Alaya jr, Liston, James Scott, Archie Moore,, Jumb Cummings etc who have commited worse crimes.

What crimes did Archie Moore commit?... the guy was a clean liver as far as I know...

As far a I know, Moore was a consistent thiefand terrorized people on the streets. But of course when Moore was put into reform school he changed his life around through boxing.

RazorKO wrote:

silkov wrote:

RazorKO wrote: Because McClelan is in a state which is worse than death. Not only Gerald is suffering, his sisters are suffering from looking after him, I can think of fighters like Ron Lyle, Alaya jr, Liston, James Scott, Archie Moore,, Jumb Cummings etc who have commited worse crimes.

What crimes did Archie Moore commit?... the guy was a clean liver as far as I know...

As far a I know, Moore was a consistent thiefand terrorized people on the streets. But of course when Moore was put into reform school he changed his life around through boxing.

Probably more than 50% of boxers committed simular acts while in their teens.......

Razor you continue with your posts of utter s**t! 50% of boxers are criminals? You are seriously the most f**ked up poster on here.

Arsenal wrote:Razor you continue with your posts of utter s**t! 50% of boxers are criminals? You are seriously the most f**ked up poster on here.

If you actually READ my post I said Archie Moore was a theif before he was put into reform school. I didnt say 50% were criminals.

This is probably why you thought that Silkov and I were talking about Coetzer instead of Coetzee. You dont READ properly.

Decagon wrote:Great. I hope you get arrested and raped.

And I hope your kids get molested.

Decagon wrote:KOJoe,

Jackson moved up in weight just as much, and he was still able to knock people out. How many top middleweights did Benn put on their asses?

Like I said I basically agree with you and think Jackson & G-Man had more one shot power than Benn. I just feel that Benn moving up in weight & becoming a more thinking fighter, if only slightly at Super-Middleweight was also a factor in his lesser KO rate at 168lbs.

Or am I just splitting hairs here?

I agree. I think after the Eubank loss he became a much better boxer. Instead of trying to knock people out he boxed and waited for the openings. If he didn't see it he was happy to go the distance. Another thing. I think his only weakness was his chin BUT after watching the McClellen fight again I think his recoveries from both knock downs was excellent. I think when he went up to super middle his stamina was much better. I think the Watson and Eubank losses were due to tiredness as much as going in there trying to knock them out. I think at SM not only was he a better boxer his conditioning was much better and he had more strength to go the distnace.

Arsenal wrote:I agree. I think after the Eubank loss he became a much better boxer. Instead of trying to knock people out he boxed and waited for the openings. If he didn't see it he was happy to go the distance. Another thing. I think his only weakness was his chin BUT after watching the McClellen fight again I think his recoveries from both knock downs was excellent. I think when he went up to super middle his stamina was much better. I think the Watson and Eubank losses were due to tiredness as much as going in there trying to knock them out. I think at SM not only was he a better boxer his conditioning was much better and he had more strength to go the distnace.

I think Benns losses to Watson and Eubank were down to tactics, he was a big favourite to win both fights, came winging in trying to knock them out at the start of the fights, and ran out of steam and was stopped, he punched himself out. Watson was an excellent boxer and Eubank had a cast iron chin. Benn proved himself the better fighter in the second Eubank fight. I think he smartened up after the Eubank defeat and realised he wouldnt always knock out world class fighters. He became a thinking fighter, which culminated in his great, though tragic defeat of Gerald McLellan.