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Posted: 12 Apr 2006, 08:46
by Autobarn
Kessler's no right hand puncher, that's for certain. Problem for Woodhall, of course, was that he couldn't soak up all the punishment he did without having the whole fight taken out of him. That was one of Calzaghe's best performances, vs a good opponent, and he dished out a real battering.
Posted: 12 Apr 2006, 23:26
by Deram
stujones wrote:I don't think anyone is saying he is the next Jones Jnr, but its his style that for me makes a Joe Calzaghe fight interesting.
I have seen lots of Kessler and think I could some him up in just a sentence (James' post is very accurate).... I would simply call him a Younger, Bigger, but similar to Richie Woodhall. He has a good jab, not spectacular handspeed and I think is a bit too mechanical to really be a fans favourite.
However, IMO, Woodhall gave a prime and ready Calzaghe his hardest fight. I think had Woodhall been a natural Super Middleweight and with less mileage on the clock he would have beaten Joe. He fought the fight that I would encourage any fighter to do vs Joe and had the tools to do it very well at times. However, Calzaghe's strength/power told in the end and I always thought Woodhall knew deep down he couldn't win it.... Which played a factor.
Woodhall came in there, and just threw STRAIGHT rights after STRAIGHT rights, its Calzaghe's weakness. Two fighters who I thought might have tried this tactic (as it seemed like their favourite punch in other fights) were Jeff Lacy and Charles Brewer, but come fight time they just threw winging right cross which Calzaghe can block all day. Its the straight shot, like a jab that Joe doesn't like.
Untill I read Freiheit's post, then I gave Kessler a chance of doing a Woodhall but having the youth and strength to pull off the upset win. However, if he cannot handle a southpaw (and this is a basic punch to use vs a Southpaw) then he can forget it. He obviously over realies on the jab, which isn't great against a southpaw.
I have no idea what Freiheit is talking about, but I can assure you it isNOT the case. Actually (and this has been mentioned many times before) one of Kessler's advantages is that he is much more trained and used to southpaws than pretty much any other SMW out there! Kesler grew up in the pro game sparring with Mads Larsen who is ... a brilliant southpaw! Mads Larsen is an extremely gifted fighter and would at his best beat all current SMW - except two or three perhaps. However, Kessler and Mads have trained and sparred together many many times and after Kessler beat Siaca, Palle offered Mads Larsen 1 million if you would face Kessler. Mads broke his contract and did NOT want to meet Kessler.
So much for Kessler having trouble with southpaws. rather than trouble, Kessler is one of the few SMW that is actualy used to sparring with a world class southpaw and Kessler got the better of Mads clearly. The second issue was how Kessler would do vs. a counterboxer, because he "leaves his jab out for too long". Well, Mads Larsen is a brilliant counterboxer. Actually what describes Mads is "a world class southpaw counterboxer". soooo... no. Sorry, but no. Mundine for that matter is a counterboxer too, and most likely the fastest in the division. The well-known fact that Kessler grew up training with Mads has always been another reason why Kessler would be far better equiped to take on Calzaghe than any other SMW.
Posted: 13 Apr 2006, 00:45
by Autobarn
you have to say though that Mundine (as I've said on here more than once), gave Kessler fits by slipping his jab with good head movement and some decent rights to the head and body. What if Mundine could hit harder, Kessler could have been in real trouble
Posted: 13 Apr 2006, 03:14
by Sweet P
viciousmaussa wrote:you have to say though that Mundine (as I've said on here more than once), gave Kessler fits by slipping his jab with good head movement and some decent rights to the head and body. What if Mundine could hit harder, Kessler could have been in real trouble
Yeah i agree, Mundine was far to timid in this fight he had Kessler in trouble a few times with his hand speed but went back into his shell straight afterwards. I really wish that Kessler hadn't pulled out of the fight with Green here in Perth at least we would really know how good he really is and how good his chin is.
Posted: 13 Apr 2006, 04:58
by jamesmcdonnell
Deram wrote:stujones wrote:I don't think anyone is saying he is the next Jones Jnr, but its his style that for me makes a Joe Calzaghe fight interesting.
I have seen lots of Kessler and think I could some him up in just a sentence (James' post is very accurate).... I would simply call him a Younger, Bigger, but similar to Richie Woodhall. He has a good jab, not spectacular handspeed and I think is a bit too mechanical to really be a fans favourite.
However, IMO, Woodhall gave a prime and ready Calzaghe his hardest fight. I think had Woodhall been a natural Super Middleweight and with less mileage on the clock he would have beaten Joe. He fought the fight that I would encourage any fighter to do vs Joe and had the tools to do it very well at times. However, Calzaghe's strength/power told in the end and I always thought Woodhall knew deep down he couldn't win it.... Which played a factor.
Woodhall came in there, and just threw STRAIGHT rights after STRAIGHT rights, its Calzaghe's weakness. Two fighters who I thought might have tried this tactic (as it seemed like their favourite punch in other fights) were Jeff Lacy and Charles Brewer, but come fight time they just threw winging right cross which Calzaghe can block all day. Its the straight shot, like a jab that Joe doesn't like.
Untill I read Freiheit's post, then I gave Kessler a chance of doing a Woodhall but having the youth and strength to pull off the upset win. However, if he cannot handle a southpaw (and this is a basic punch to use vs a Southpaw) then he can forget it. He obviously over realies on the jab, which isn't great against a southpaw.
I have no idea what Freiheit is talking about, but I can assure you it isNOT the case. Actually (and this has been mentioned many times before) one of Kessler's advantages is that he is much more trained and used to southpaws than pretty much any other SMW out there! Kesler grew up in the pro game sparring with Mads Larsen who is ... a brilliant southpaw! Mads Larsen is an extremely gifted fighter and would at his best beat all current SMW - except two or three perhaps. However, Kessler and Mads have trained and sparred together many many times and after Kessler beat Siaca, Palle offered Mads Larsen 1 million if you would face Kessler. Mads broke his contract and did NOT want to meet Kessler.
So much for Kessler having trouble with southpaws. rather than trouble, Kessler is one of the few SMW that is actualy used to sparring with a world class southpaw and Kessler got the better of Mads clearly. The second issue was how Kessler would do vs. a counterboxer, because he "leaves his jab out for too long". Well, Mads Larsen is a brilliant counterboxer. Actually what describes Mads is "a world class southpaw counterboxer". soooo... no. Sorry, but no. Mundine for that matter is a counterboxer too, and most likely the fastest in the division. The well-known fact that Kessler grew up training with Mads has always been another reason why Kessler would be far better equiped to take on Calzaghe than any other SMW.
Well, I know what I saw, and Kessler does leave his jab hanging out, and puts too much emphasis on the shot.
Posted: 13 Apr 2006, 05:03
by Autobarn
anyone seen Kesler vs a southpaw? in a professional fight
Posted: 13 Apr 2006, 06:06
by Freiheit
viciousmaussa wrote:anyone seen Kesler vs a southpaw? in a professional fight
Kessler have fourght 2 southpaws as professional. vs Dean Martin in 1998 and vs Fernando Hernandez in 2001.
Just checked both fights. He had some problems with Martin where he got hit more than usual and he had troubles landing the jab. He looked a bit hetter vs Hernandez.
Posted: 13 Apr 2006, 17:26
by Deram
Ben Keilty wrote:viciousmaussa wrote:you have to say though that Mundine (as I've said on here more than once), gave Kessler fits by slipping his jab with good head movement and some decent rights to the head and body. What if Mundine could hit harder, Kessler could have been in real trouble
Yeah i agree, Mundine was far to timid in this fight he had Kessler in trouble a few times with his hand speed but went back into his shell straight afterwards. I really wish that Kessler hadn't pulled out of the fight with Green here in Perth at least we would really know how good he really is and how good his chin is.
Well, remember this post, because Green or
Mundine have the pleasure of being Kessler's mandatory next - so luckily that is something we do not have to speculate for long, but will get to see with our own eyes (unless of course Kessler looses the belt to Hoye or something).