Question for all those who think they know their stuff!!!

granberry · Post by **granberry** » 15 Jul 2006, 12:50

theone wrote:
[Some remarkable fighters

Jimmy McLarnin--flyweight through welterweight

Sam Langford--lighweight thhrough heavyweight

Mickey Walker--welterweight through heavyweight

Bob Fitzsimmons--middleweight (welterweight?) through heavyweight

Roy Jones in his prime would have beaten them all. Yes, including Langford.

CORRECTION:

Roy Jones in his prime would have beaten them all if they were blindfolded and drugged heavily beforehand.

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granberry · Post by **granberry** » 15 Jul 2006, 15:04

Decagon wrote:
theone wrote:. . . Later in their respective careers, when their respective skills had faded, Ali and Robinson used subtle defensive moves to block the shots that they couldn't block or dodge, because at their best, they didn't get clocked on the chin very often. . . .

Ali was badly staggered by Doug Jones' right hand only 15 seconds into their fight (which took place only two fights before Ali fought Liston).

In Ali's very next fight Henry Cooper bloodied Ali's nose shortly after the first round started,

and knocked Ali down with his left hook at the end of the 4th round.

In those two fights Ali got clocked quite often.

granberry · Post by **granberry** » 15 Jul 2006, 16:22

You miss MY point,

which was

No fighter who gets beaten up by Doug Jones and Henry Cooper is good enough to beat Liston in a legitimate fight.

granberry · Post by **granberry** » 15 Jul 2006, 16:25

Ali was a human punching bag his whole career. He fooled those who never had a fight by keeping a straight face.

His condition today attests to the above.

granberry · Post by **granberry** » 16 Jul 2006, 10:35

"Ali just happened to have two of the worst performances of his career before fighting Liston."

Funny funny funny

The fact that Doug Jones was a better boxer than Ali was had nothing to do with it, of course.

The fact that Ali couldn't defend himself against Henry Cooper's professional level left hook had nothing to do with it, of course.

Those were two legitimate fights--and they showed Ali's true ability.

The Liston "fights" were garbage.

mattym · Post by **mattym** » 16 Jul 2006, 16:50

granberry wrote:"Ali just happened to have two of the worst performances of his career before fighting Liston."

Funny funny funny

The fact that Doug Jones was a better boxer than Ali was had nothing to do with it, of course.

The fact that Ali couldn't defend himself against Henry Cooper's professional level left hook had nothing to do with it, of course.

Those were two legitimate fights--and they showed Ali's true ability.

The Liston "fights" were garbage.

What makes you so sure?