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Posted: 21 Jun 2006, 19:27
by Max Molyneux
Mattyp151 wrote:
I'm sure Oktay Urkal is a fantastic follow up fight for one of the top British fighters after a terrible performance in their "Invasion"
I'm not inpressed with Urkal either.
Least we don't sell washed up fighters to the public like Mosley, Hopkins- and Vargas for $50 dollars.
Only impressed with Mayweather at ze moment.
Posted: 21 Jun 2006, 19:31
by Max Molyneux
stujones wrote:Max Molyneux wrote:Prime Reid who wasn't just their for the money would of took him.
The one who was WBC champion.
The one who lost to Sugar Boy Malinga and got a lucky decision vs Hasine Cherifi.
Robin Reid is the most overated fighter in British boxing, well between him and Herbie Hide.
Yes, I scored the Reid vs Calzaghe fight to Reid, but alot of fighters could have beaten that version of Joe - he hadn't sparred due to hand injuries and suffered food poisioning FFS. Yet it was still close.
No, I'm not a huge fan of Joe's - I haven't like the amount of "challenges" he has faced during his nine year reign and I don't associate him as Welsh to be honest, but Lacy showed a damn good chin in March if nothing else and has good power. He will outwork Tarver and would KO this mid 30's version of Beyer, he would get outboxed vs Kessler.
I consider Calzaghe English because he was born in Hammersmith. Always do think their nationality is where their from regardless of passports. Just feel that way and always have.
To say Reid is the most overated ever is over the top as it's said about nearly every one in anything. Theirs no point in saying that as one day it will be said about someone else.
I admit I've barely watched any Reid fights due to not having Sky Sports though so I can't say much. But to win a world title does say your good enough.
Posted: 21 Jun 2006, 19:56
by nickd
Max Molyneux wrote:stujones wrote:Max Molyneux wrote:Prime Reid who wasn't just their for the money would of took him.
The one who was WBC champion.
The one who lost to Sugar Boy Malinga and got a lucky decision vs Hasine Cherifi.
Robin Reid is the most overated fighter in British boxing, well between him and Herbie Hide.
Yes, I scored the Reid vs Calzaghe fight to Reid, but alot of fighters could have beaten that version of Joe - he hadn't sparred due to hand injuries and suffered food poisioning FFS. Yet it was still close.
No, I'm not a huge fan of Joe's - I haven't like the amount of "challenges" he has faced during his nine year reign and I don't associate him as Welsh to be honest, but Lacy showed a damn good chin in March if nothing else and has good power. He will outwork Tarver and would KO this mid 30's version of Beyer, he would get outboxed vs Kessler.
I consider Calzaghe English because he was born in Hammersmith. Always do think their nationality is where their from regardless of passports. Just feel that way and always have.
To say Reid is the most overated ever is over the top as it's said about nearly every one in anything. Theirs no point in saying that as one day it will be said about someone else.
I admit I've barely watched any Reid fights due to not having Sky Sports though so I can't say much. But to win a world title does say your good enough.
Try and get a copy of Reid v Cherifi or Malinga. That's the "prime" Reid you keep going on about! I really think you should have a look.
Someone send him a tape please.
Posted: 21 Jun 2006, 20:03
by lvlarc
Max Molyneux wrote:stujones wrote:Max Molyneux wrote:Prime Reid who wasn't just their for the money would of took him.
The one who was WBC champion.
The one who lost to Sugar Boy Malinga and got a lucky decision vs Hasine Cherifi.
Robin Reid is the most overated fighter in British boxing, well between him and Herbie Hide.
Yes, I scored the Reid vs Calzaghe fight to Reid, but alot of fighters could have beaten that version of Joe - he hadn't sparred due to hand injuries and suffered food poisioning FFS. Yet it was still close.
No, I'm not a huge fan of Joe's - I haven't like the amount of "challenges" he has faced during his nine year reign and I don't associate him as Welsh to be honest, but Lacy showed a damn good chin in March if nothing else and has good power. He will outwork Tarver and would KO this mid 30's version of Beyer, he would get outboxed vs Kessler.
I consider Calzaghe English because he was born in Hammersmith. Always do think their nationality is where their from regardless of passports. Just feel that way and always have.
To say Reid is the most overated ever is over the top as it's said about nearly every one in anything. Theirs no point in saying that as one day it will be said about someone else.
I admit I've barely watched any Reid fights due to not having Sky Sports though so I can't say much. But to win a world title does say your good enough.
Max you tend to pay too much attention of fighters nationality, back em because they have talent & are exciting fighters.
Who would you back, Harrison V Pacquiao? Also whos your favourite fighter? Oh and Calzaghe is Welsh
Posted: 21 Jun 2006, 20:28
by lvlarc
I'm with you, though I can't see Harrison lasting more than 8 rounds with Pacman, & he's bit smaller than Morales too.
Posted: 21 Jun 2006, 20:31
by Max Molyneux
lvlarc_uk wrote:I'm with you, though I can't see Harrison lasting more than 8 rounds with Pacman, & he's bit smaller than Morales too.
Harrison does have a good chin though even though he's taking feather punches so thats why I'll go with a points win.
Pac's nice to watch but he just throws wild fast swarming attacks that would be made for a counter puncher as Morales showed the first time and the same with Marquez.
Not impressed he's fighting Morales again though. The guy clearly needs to step up in Weight, otherwise he'll take another beating.
Posted: 21 Jun 2006, 20:33
by nickd
Max Molyneux wrote:lvlarc_uk wrote:I'm with you, though I can't see Harrison lasting more than 8 rounds with Pacman, & he's bit smaller than Morales too.
Harrison does have a good chin though even though he's taking feather punches so thats why I'll go with a points win.
Pac's nice to watch but he just throws wild fast swarming attacks that would be made for a counter puncher as Morales showed the first time and the same with Marquez.
Not impressed he's fighting Morales again though. The guy clearly needs to step up in Weight, otherwise he'll take another beating.
True, thats Pacs attack but Harrison is nothing like a counter puncher. He just plods forward throwing hands, I think Pac would knock the crap out of him for 6-7 rounds before Harrison was rescued.
Posted: 21 Jun 2006, 20:35
by Max Molyneux
nickd wrote:Max Molyneux wrote:lvlarc_uk wrote:I'm with you, though I can't see Harrison lasting more than 8 rounds with Pacman, & he's bit smaller than Morales too.
Harrison does have a good chin though even though he's taking feather punches so thats why I'll go with a points win.
Pac's nice to watch but he just throws wild fast swarming attacks that would be made for a counter puncher as Morales showed the first time and the same with Marquez.
Not impressed he's fighting Morales again though. The guy clearly needs to step up in Weight, otherwise he'll take another beating.
True, thats Pacs attack but Harrison is nothing like a counter puncher. He just plods forward throwing hands, I think Pac would knock the crap out of him for 6-7 rounds before Harrison was rescued.
Yeah Harrison ain't no counter puncher. Just wonder because he's naturally bigger than Morales that would he be last the distance.
The way I described Pac was my reason for that Hamed Vs Pac thread that time too since Hamed was a counter puncher and one who had one punch power.
Posted: 21 Jun 2006, 20:40
by lvlarc
If you're a Pacquiao fan you will love this..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4Y3K2OIUWw
I can actually see a Marquez V Pacquiao replay, except Harrison wont come back strong to remain till final bell.
Posted: 21 Jun 2006, 20:44
by Max Molyneux
Damn that pudenda fast but has no skill!
I think a prime Hamed could KO Pac as he couldn't walk onto his shots like some of those guys.
Way he blamed the gloves in the 1st Morales fight too.
Posted: 21 Jun 2006, 20:46
by Max Molyneux
I wish Itv didn't go to adverts so I could of heard this!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebZqEBVf ... h=Calzaghe
I'm suprised most Lacy foes didn't easily counter Lacy's sloppy overhand right though. You can see it coming.
Posted: 21 Jun 2006, 20:50
by lvlarc
Max Molyneux wrote:Damn that people fast but has no skill!
I think a prime Hamed could KO Pac as he couldn't walk onto his shots like some of those guys.
Way he blamed the gloves in the 1st Morales fight too.
No Skill?
He beat Barrera, one of the best technicians in the game. :He's a very effective puncher, once he spots weakness he will go for the kill, plus he has a great chin and heart to match. He also has great headmovement and a solid jab, reminds me of a mini Tyson
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LojefzjW ... h=pacquiao Look at that handspeed! Mix between Bruce Lee & Mike Tyson
Posted: 21 Jun 2006, 20:56
by Max Molyneux
Too many punchers get compared to Tyson. Theirs no other puncher they ever get compared to.
Tyson had head movement and skill though.
Pac can't even talk about his own style of fighting in that video, he just says it good fight or my mind 50% condition.
Fast little bastard though!
Don't think he'd do well without the speed and exellent conditioning he has though. Ripped to shit!
He was 10 stone on the night of Morales 2 aswell just like Morales so there wasn't so size advantage from either. Bruce Lee had skill too.
Just like Bruce they both do movies and look like they like to satisfy there ego.
Posted: 21 Jun 2006, 20:59
by lvlarc
Pacquiao no skill! Bruce Lee overrated!!
What have you been drinking
Posted: 21 Jun 2006, 21:02
by Max Molyneux
Dr Pepper, cuppa tea and some 5alive.
I'mtoo tetotal to touch alcohol. :P
Bruce sometimes looked like he did it for his ego like he showed in his movies were he looked beatable until he did that silly dance.
Haha thought I head Pac do that noise Bruce makes toowhen on the pads with Freddy. Wonder if Freddy's been accidently clocked by Pac during the pads!
Off to sleep anyway.
Night dudes.
Posted: 21 Jun 2006, 21:07
by lvlarc
You seen this interview? Seen it on tele few years ago. Eccentric character but thought it was amazing what he was doing, ego yes but pushed physical specimen to the limit!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0cnZ7EV ... ruce%20lee
It's all about expressing yourself baby.
Wish I was alive in his era
Ok nite.
Posted: 21 Jun 2006, 21:26
by mattyp151
Max Molyneux wrote:Mattyp151 wrote:
I'm sure Oktay Urkal is a fantastic follow up fight for one of the top British fighters after a terrible performance in their "Invasion"
I'm not inpressed with Urkal either.
Least we don't sell washed up fighters to the public like Mosley, Hopkins- and Vargas for $50 dollars.
Only impressed with Mayweather at ze moment.
Yup, Hopkins certainly looked washed up.
Posted: 21 Jun 2006, 21:33
by lvlarc
Here the full famous Bruce Lee "lost" interview from the early 70's.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcYGMibw ... 0interview
Posted: 22 Jun 2006, 04:38
by Max Molyneux
lvlarc_uk wrote:You seen this interview? Seen it on tele few years ago. Eccentric character but thought it was amazing what he was doing, ego yes but pushed physical specimen to the limit!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0cnZ7EV ... ruce%20lee
It's all about expressing yourself baby.
Wish I was alive in his era
Ok nite.
Yeah he was really open minded and giving new ideas in Martial Arts and was very fit anyway though.
