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ive never acctually seen the second fight, is it on youtube?

thunderfromdownunder wrote:ive never acctually seen the second fight, is it on youtube?

No.
on you tube they have only couple of rounds from the fight 1.

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Graham... 9 rounds to lewis :))))))))))))) crazy man.

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Cant we just make a system that automatically offers our stock response to these endless repeat threads about Ike Ibeabuchi, Tyson, and Lewis/Holyfield II?

Mine is as follows: Closer than last time, but LL wins by a couple of rds.

Terence wrote:

Decagon wrote:Now, I'm one of the people that puts an asterix in my head next to the phrase "Bowe-Holyfield II." I'm far from a Bowe fan, but Bowe had all the momentum when Fan Man crashed into the ring. The only reason the fight wasn't stopped was that the fans paid a shitload of money to see that fight.

I agree. Bowe was boxing really well up to that point and stil managed to, on my card, sneak a win from a very disjointed fight.

People were so thrilled to see Holyfield bounce back they scored his recovery from fight one instead of scoring the fight as a stand-alone work.

This is the most inaccurate description of what really happend before the Fan Man incident.

I just rewatched this fight this past weekend. It was Holyfield who was landing the better and bigger shots before the Fan Man crashed into the ring....(in fact the announcers very openly discuss that this lull in the fight was of great benefit to Bowe....precisely because of the timing as Holyfield was putting shots together very well...and had rocked Bowe the round before).

[quote="meade95"][quote="Terence"][quote="Decagon"]Now, I'm one of the people that puts an asterix in my head next to the phrase "Bowe-Holyfield II." I'm far from a Bowe fan, but Bowe had all the momentum when Fan Man crashed into the ring. The only reason the fight wasn't stopped was that the fans paid a shitload of money to see that fight.[/quote]

I agree. Bowe was boxing really well up to that point and stil managed to, on my card, sneak a win from a very disjointed fight.

People were so thrilled to see Holyfield bounce back they scored his recovery from fight one instead of scoring the fight as a stand-alone work.[/quote]

This is the most inaccurate description of what really happend before the Fan Man incident.

I just rewatched this fight this past weekend. It was Holyfield who was landing the better and bigger shots before the Fan Man crashed into the ring....(in fact the announcers very openly discuss that this lull in the fight was of great benefit to Bowe....precisely because of the timing as Holyfield was putting shots together very well...and had rocked Bowe the round before).[/quote]

Exactly. 'Looked to me like Holyfield was headed for an 8th or 9th rd KO.

Bowe was saved by the bell in the 5th, obviously, and Holyfield obviously went into cruise mode after that, saving the burst for three rounds later. Enter Fan Man. Obviously.

Damn... Reading all of the CRAP on this board, from supposed knowledgable boxing fans at that, nevermind the average knucklehead on the street, it's no wonder Tyson was favored over Holyfield so strongly. tsk tsk Fan Man saved old ass Holyfield?! tsk tsk CRAP

boring fight tho

Compubox showed Lewis with a considerable advantage in connects in the rematch. Does anyone feel that Lewis did not land more punches.

Cojimar 1945 wrote:Compubox showed Lewis with a considerable advantage in connects in the rematch. Does anyone feel that Lewis did not land more punches.

The big problem with compubox is that they often count grazing and slipped shots as connects, and their definition of 'power-shots' is a little hard to swallow.

I have no doubt Lennox "landed more punches" vs Evander in their rematch.

But the harder, cleaner, and more effective punches? Definetely Holyfield. Lewis was throwing push-tap jabs all night, afraid to even fully extend his left arm for fear of counters.

"I have no doubt Lennox "landed more punches" vs Evander in their rematch."

"But the harder, cleaner, and more effective punches? Definetely Holyfield."

you forgot holyfield's headbutting. He was doing it so hard and from the round 1. After the first round, Lewis sit down and yell to holyfield from his corner - "STOP!!!". holy is a f***** crazy with his headbutting. it' dirty. it' no good. Rahman fight,, tyson...

"The biggest thing is Holyfield was known as a potential butter before the 90's. He beat an undefeated Alex Stewart by the good graces of an "accidental butt" in the fifth or sixth."

"Stewart was winning the fight, and the fight was not stopped after the butt and consequential cut Stewart suffered. Holyfield built on the injury and ended up winning in the eight by TKO."


"That was the first time I recall him being known as a "butter." Also note how he was watched like a hawk in the Foreman fight, the ref constantly warned both fighters really, but in my opinion in was really directed at Holyfield, to watch their heads. So Tyson nor Tyson's team was not the first to notice the tendency to butt."

dempseyfire wrote:Bowe beat Holyfield b/c he was a GREAT inside fighter for such a hugh HW. Lewis had a good uppercut he used occasionally but besides that was poor on the inside.

I had Holyfield winning a close bout, w/ Holyfield winning rounds 1,5,6,7,9, and 12 with 3 being even.

But Lewis was an excellent long range fighter. He would still keep holy at range with the jab.
If Bowe got the better of a prime Holy, why wouldn't lewis?

dempseyfire wrote:Lewis had 24 rounds to 'blitz' Evander . . .he didn't b/c he knew he'd be knocked out.

Don't make me laugh!

Holy was never a big puncher.
Lewis should have blitzed Holy in round 5 of the first fight, but held back due to caution. Holy was in real trouble that round

Heartbreak_Kid79 wrote:

dempseyfire wrote:Lewis had 24 rounds to 'blitz' Evander . . .he didn't b/c he knew he'd be knocked out.

Don't make me laugh!

Holy was never a big puncher.
Lewis should have blitzed Holy in round 5 of the first fight, but held back due to caution. Holy was in real trouble that round

You just killed your own argument.

"due to caution" . . .cautious of what?

OF BEING KTFO!!!

Holy didn't have the KO power,
Mccall and rahman were both 240pound big hitters.
Holy was what 210? when he fought Lewis? Holys HW careers isnt exactly full of KO's is it?

Heartbreak_Kid79 wrote:

dempseyfire wrote:Bowe beat Holyfield b/c he was a GREAT inside fighter for such a hugh HW. Lewis had a good uppercut he used occasionally but besides that was poor on the inside.

I had Holyfield winning a close bout, w/ Holyfield winning rounds 1,5,6,7,9, and 12 with 3 being even.

But Lewis was an excellent long range fighter. He would still keep holy at range with the jab.
If Bowe got the better of a prime Holy, why wouldn't lewis?

Read dempseyfire's quote again- 1.Bowe was a great inside fighter, Lewis wasn't.
2. He had Holyfield winning the 2nd fight (which I and many other people did as well) when Holyfield was well past his prime.
It's certainly not hard envisoning a "prime" Holyfield beating Lewis.

Heartbreak_Kid79 wrote:Holy didn't have the KO power,
Mccall and rahman were both 240pound big hitters.
Holy was what 210? when he fought Lewis? Holys HW careers isnt exactly full of KO's is it?

Evander showed he could punch with anyone throughout his career.

1st man to put down Bowe

1st man to put down Ray Mercer and the only man to do it when Ray was not in his 40s. Mercer took the best of Witherspoon, Lewis, Morrison etc. without tasting canvas.

One of two men to KO Mike Tyson in the 1990s.

He was no Earnie Shavers but Holyfield definetely had power to really hurt you. To deny that is just asine, esp. just b.c he didn't weigh 240 lbs.

If Holyfield had no power, Lewis could've walked right through him and stopped him.

Again, he had 24 rounds to KO Evander and he couldn't even put him down. That speaks for itself.

Lewis SHOULD have done a lot better in both Holyfield fights. He was in his prime years and Holyfield was well past his best. HOWEVER, I do think that Lewis seriously underperformed in both fights. He was overly cautious in the first fight, and thought he was coasting to an easy decision (which he should have got). In the second fight I think he was expecting a repeat performance by Holyfield, expected an easy decision, and was actually a bit careless. When Holyfield hurt him in the 7th (I think) Lewis became very cautious for the rest of the fight, which lost him some rounds. I still gave the fight to Lewis by 2 clear rounds, but it is definitely one of Lewis's worst performances.

Incidentally I have never seen Holyfield-Douglas, but would love to. Douglas's performance vs Tyson was fantastic, one of the best fights I've ever seen.

I had Lewis winning the first fight easy, and winning the 2nd by 3 rounds. It was closer but I think Holy surprised a lot of people and might have got a better ride in the scoring because everyone expected Lewis to blitz him after fight 1

thunderfromdownunder wrote:ive never acctually seen the second fight, is it on youtube?

There is Holyfield-Lewis II on you tube now...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=LH-wLOYhCm4

iron maiden wrote:

thunderfromdownunder wrote:ive never acctually seen the second fight, is it on youtube?

There is Holyfield-Lewis II on you tube now...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=LH-wLOYhCm4

The poster omits the last half of round 3, all of round 4, and half of round 5.

You could make the case Bowe won all three fights... the second fight was close enough, could have gone either way. Or you could say Holyfield deserved the decision he got in the second fight and could have won the third fight without the hepatitis. I think in the end the trilogy was inconclusive.

Anyway, I thought Lewis won the rematch in a close but clear fight. I suppose one could argue that a younger Holyfield might beat Lewis, but we'll never know.

8-4 in rounds is not very close. Lewis apparently outlanded Holyfield by a fairly good margin (42 % according to compubox).

8-4 in rounds is not very close. Lewis apparently outlanded Holyfield by a fairly good margin (42 % according to compubox).

Lewis definitely did outland Holy by a fair margin, but 8-4 in rounds is being extremely generous to Lewis. The first time I saw the fight I gave it to Lewis by 3 rounds, having rewatched it, I now score it to Lewis by 2.

jezzamundo wrote:

8-4 in rounds is not very close. Lewis apparently outlanded Holyfield by a fairly good margin (42 % according to compubox).

Lewis definitely did outland Holy by a fair margin, but 8-4 in rounds is being extremely generous to Lewis. The first time I saw the fight I gave it to Lewis by 3 rounds, having rewatched it, I now score it to Lewis by 2.

you got it lewis by 2, only becouse you gave that couple of rounds to Lewis...BUT those rounds were even.

HOLYFIELD - LEWIS II VIDEO

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Lennox Lewis had an Iron chin

http://youtube.com/watch?v=u4SQmxIP5Bk