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I pick a pre-1951 Charles over any version of Walcott.

o so suddenly ur telling me in one year from 1950 to 1951, charles suddenly aged dramatically? ridiculous



joe louis said walcott was better than charles




ill take the peak version of walcott over the peak version of charles

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:jack sharkey vs ezzard charles- charles wide unanimous decision


jack sharkey vs jersey joe walcott- walcott 15 split decision


jack sharkey vs floyd patterson- patterson 15 unanimous decision


max schmeling vs floyd patterson- patterson TKO 8 schmeling

max schmeling vs ezzard charles- charles 15 unanimous decision

max schmeling vs jersey joe walcott walcott 15 split decision




max baer vs floyd patterson- baer KO early or patterson dec

max baer vs ezzard charles- Charles TKO 14

max baer vs jersey joe walcott- walcott 15 unanimous

You accuse ME of outrageous choices?

[Patterson TKO8 Schmeling is the best]

just go watch the film pundit,


u will see charles, walcott, patterson are all more "finished" boxers than sharkey, baer, schmeling. They also had more developed styles and greater athleticism and seemed to be faster and more fluid.

schmeling couldnt handle pattersons combination of speed and power. also patterson was one of the best technicical schooled boxers in history

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:jack sharkey vs ezzard charles- charles wide unanimous decision


jack sharkey vs jersey joe walcott- walcott 15 split decision


jack sharkey vs floyd patterson- patterson 15 unanimous decision


max schmeling vs floyd patterson- patterson TKO 8 schmeling

max schmeling vs ezzard charles- charles 15 unanimous decision

max schmeling vs jersey joe walcott walcott 15 split decision




max baer vs floyd patterson- baer KO early or patterson dec

max baer vs ezzard charles- Charles TKO 14

max baer vs jersey joe walcott- walcott 15 unanimous

Just a quick one before leaving...

BB, I really think you are over rating Paterson and, at the same time, selling Schmeling short.

I think these 2 eras are actually quite close. You have the 50s guys making a clean sweep of it all except for a half chance for Baer - that makes it 8.5-0.5... Whatever your opinion of who is best (and there are points for both sides) it really is much closer than that.

The guy who beat Joe Louis could find a way to beat Patterson, of that I'm certain. Schmeling would have close fights with Charles and Walcott.

I think this is a really good thread because the level is so close.

Why do you pick Walcott to beat Charles when most people believe Charles had the better of their series?

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:schmeling couldnt handle pattersons combination of speed and power. also patterson was one of the best technicical schooled boxers in history

and he was very susceptible to a right hand. Hmm, I think Max had a pretty good right hand, didn’t he?

Why do you pick Walcott to beat Charles when most people believe Charles had the better of their series?

my buddy ezzard,


let me first say ezzard charles was special. he rates # 7 on my all time greatest fighters list.



now............


charles-walcott series is 2-2 when u count the fact walcott did knock charles out, then the egde slightly goes to walcott.


in the first 2 charles fights, walcott did not fight aggresiveley enough. he sat back doing way to many tricks and did not let his hands go enough. u saw in the 3rd walcott fight when he let his hands go and fought more aggresive he did a lot better. charles said something about the 3rd walcott fight like "he was much more aggresive this time, and i tried to stop his attacks but i just couldn't". even in the 4th walcott-charles, walcott fought much more aggresive and this enabled him to outpoint charles this time. some say charles won this fight, but charles kinda let up in the late rounds and walcott fought more aggresivley and they granted him the rightful decision. you have to take the title from the champion and charles didnt.

* also the first 2 charles fights were alot closer than the scorecards indicate.


i also think charles never faced the absolute peak jersey joe walcott(though he did fight very close to it walcott in 3rd fight and look wut happened charles got kayoed). the absolute peak walcott was from the 1947 joe louis fight. walcott put on the best preformance of his career in this fight. he never looked faster. charles never faced this walcott, and i favor this version of walcott over any 47-48 version of charles.



joe louis fought both prime versions of walcott and charles, and he said walcott was better.