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Tysonfan wrote:Harry Greb or Jack Dempsey? Not sure it close between those 2 for me. Any challengers.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:really no white fighter(or perhaps any fighter) looks better on film than a peak willie pep. he looked like he glided through air, the best footwork i have ever seen

Tysonfan wrote:will there ever be another white fighter?

IrishRufusMurphy wrote:Wales is in the British Empire is it not? Welsh/English same difference to me.

granberry wrote:

Tysonfan wrote:Harry Greb or Jack Dempsey? Not sure it close between those 2 for me. Any challengers.

To those competent in the area of boxing, the term "boxer" means a fighter who moves around a lot on his feet.

Jim Corbett, Frank Erne, Jack Root, Philadelphia Jack O'Brien, Johnny Kilbane, Johnny Dundee, Jack Britton, Benny Leonard, Mike Gibbons, Sammy Mandell, Tommy Loughran, Gene Tunney, Barney Ross, Billy Conn, Bob Pastor, Harry Jeffra, Maxie Rosenbloom, Billy Soose, Willie Pep, Billy Graham, Joey Archer, Jeff Chandler, etc etc etc.

IrishRufusMurphy wrote:Willie Pep was JEWISH...he wasn't white. So he falls out of the "best white fighter" category.

My personal opinion, the best white fighter, in any weight class, was probably Jimmy Wylde, of England, who was one of the greatest KO artists of all time. When he was a young kid in his native Wales, he used to fight exhibitions with grown men twice his size and knocked them all out.

One time Wylde was under major testing, to see where he got his great power from, and to the surprise of the 'experts' it wasn't by brute strength, but was by Wylde's percision and timing, as well as the quickness and accuracy of his punches.

Terence wrote:He probably should have said caucasian.

Terence wrote: I'm surprised no one has brought up Gerry Quarry, isn't he tied with Vitali for top rank?

Decagon wrote:

Lenny Albert wrote:What colour does Jewish look like?

British Empire doesn't mean English. A lot of people would be very offended by that statement. Do you consider Scots English?

I think we should send him to Belfast, so he can tell everyone there that they're English since Northern Ireland is in the British Empire. He wouldn't last 15 minutes.

IrishRufusMurphy wrote:Willie Pep was JEWISH...he wasn't white. So he falls out of the "best white fighter" category.

silkov wrote:Obviously Tysonfan needs to read some books...
How about Benny Leonard, Jim Driscoll, Freddie Welsh etc etc etc?...eh?.... as pound for pound great white boxers go Dempsey probably doesnt make the top 50.... :x

The Great John L wrote:

granberry wrote:

Tysonfan wrote:Harry Greb or Jack Dempsey? Not sure it close between those 2 for me. Any challengers.

To those competent in the area of boxing, the term "boxer" means a fighter who moves around a lot on his feet.

Jim Corbett, Frank Erne, Jack Root, Philadelphia Jack O'Brien, Johnny Kilbane, Johnny Dundee, Jack Britton, Benny Leonard, Mike Gibbons, Sammy Mandell, Tommy Loughran, Gene Tunney, Barney Ross, Billy Conn, Bob Pastor, Harry Jeffra, Maxie Rosenbloom, Billy Soose, Willie Pep, Billy Graham, Joey Archer, Jeff Chandler, etc etc etc.

Jeff CHandler? DO you mean "Joltin" Jeff Chandler from Philly? Great "boxer", but I don't think he was white. Thought maybe u simply used him as an example of a "boxer", but then I noticed everybody else u listed was white.

----INTERESTING, huh?----

Also, not all "boxers" moved around a lot on thier feet. Jimmy Young was a master, but really didn't use an excessive amount of foot movement.

IrishRufusMurphy wrote:Willie Pep was JEWISH...he wasn't white. So he falls out of the "best white fighter" category.

My personal opinion, the best white fighter, in any weight class, was probably Jimmy Wylde, of England, who was one of the greatest KO artists of all time. When he was a young kid in his native Wales, he used to fight exhibitions with grown men twice his size and knocked them all out.

One time Wylde was under major testing, to see where he got his great power from, and to the surprise of the 'experts' it wasn't by brute strength, but was by Wylde's percision and timing, as well as the quickness and accuracy of his punches.

granberry wrote:

The Great John L wrote:

granberry wrote: To those competent in the area of boxing, the term "boxer" means a fighter who moves around a lot on his feet.

Jim Corbett, Frank Erne, Jack Root, Philadelphia Jack O'Brien, Johnny Kilbane, Johnny Dundee, Jack Britton, Benny Leonard, Mike Gibbons, Sammy Mandell, Tommy Loughran, Gene Tunney, Barney Ross, Billy Conn, Bob Pastor, Harry Jeffra, Maxie Rosenbloom, Billy Soose, Willie Pep, Billy Graham, Joey Archer, Jeff Chandler, etc etc etc.

Jeff CHandler? DO you mean "Joltin" Jeff Chandler from Philly? Great "boxer", but I don't think he was white. Thought maybe u simply used him as an example of a "boxer", but then I noticed everybody else u listed was white.

----INTERESTING, huh?----

Also, not all "boxers" moved around a lot on thier feet. Jimmy Young was a master, but really didn't use an excessive amount of foot movement.

Jimmy Young made a total ass of Ali with his ability to change angles while hardly moving on his feet, while Ali gave a demonstration in that fight of what a waste of motion and energy his footwork was.

All the flaws and limitations in Ali's style were exposed by Young for 15 excruciating rounds for poor Ali.

Watch the 9th round for a demonstration by Ali of a foolish waste of foot movement and energy to acommplish nothing while Young stands in one spot (the center of the ring) for most of the round and gives Ali a boxing lesson.

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granberry wrote:Yeah, Jimmy McLarnin was Jewish, Benny Leonard was Irish, Rocky Graziano was Polish, Tony Zale was Italian, and Salvadar Sanchez was Chinese.