WITTER - A NEW LOOK

steve689 · Post by **steve689** » 11 Sep 2006, 15:54

I'm not sure Witter's bad press is always totally justified from the Judah fight, he was an inexperienced guy on a big card and if you look at the scores and his general performance bar the later rounds he wasn't all that bad.

beagleboy · Post by **beagleboy** » 11 Sep 2006, 16:51

josh fg wrote:
emma wrote:Good article.Is Witter single as it says on his myspace he is but i thought he was married.
won't ask why you are interested.

I really hope witter does it, much of it will be down to weather Corly manages to adapt to his style. I think that it should be Witter by a mid round KO, dunno why just a feeling.

Other than Naz and Paul Ingle, has Brendon Ingle produced any world champs? Harol Graham who should have been a world champ doesn't count.

Would love to see this fight just moved to london and live within spitting distance of the alli pally but working for free for a charity so too poor sniff sniff.

Good luck Jr bring a title to yorkshire.

how can you forget johnny nelson

RobD · Post by **RobD** » 11 Sep 2006, 16:55

steve689 wrote:I'm not sure Witter's bad press is always totally justified from the Judah fight, he was an inexperienced guy on a big card and if you look at the scores and his general performance bar the later rounds he wasn't all that bad.

I thought Witter held is own for the first half of the fight. If the two fought now I would favor Witter.

Razor · Post by **Razor** » 11 Sep 2006, 17:12

Witter will pull of a Calzaghe'esk style win and everyone on boxrec will love be witter blah blah mayweather next ect. (i can see it happening).

josh fg · Post by **josh fg** » 11 Sep 2006, 17:14

Razor wrote:Witter will pull of a Calzaghe'esk style win and everyone on boxrec will love be witter blah blah mayweather next ect. (i can see it happening).

Well in fairness to Witter unlike calzaghe you get the feeling he genuinly wants a fight with the top guys.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 11 Sep 2006, 17:19

Twinkle Toes wrote:lol James has a caht with Dominic Ingle and all of a sudden thinks the sun shines out of Witter's arse.

Typical Hack!

:p

To be honest with you, it's watching the tapes of the fights which has changed my mind.

Twinkle Toes · Post by **Twinkle Toes** » 11 Sep 2006, 21:30

Lets hope he does the business - I always thought he took unfair stick for the Judah fight.

Yet I could never agree with the way he hung onto Hattons coat tails for all he was worth.

He's got his big chance now, and he has to perform - I'm just wondering if his time has come and gone.

Phenomenal-Nutrition · Post by **Phenomenal-Nutrition** » 12 Sep 2006, 04:29

jamesmcdonnell wrote:
Dominic Ingle said today that Witter got complacent and didn't train properly for Lynes, which to be fair is not that surprising, it was just a tune up, and he made the mistake plenty of other professionals have made.

Witter didn't really look tired agaisnt N'dou or Kotelnik, he finished well in the last round of both fights and nicked the round, and was up on his toes. I don't think gassing is the problem, it's mental fragility.

Straight punchers seem to bother Witter, but Corley is a wide puncher who uses the left hook extensively.

Did you see Junior between rounds he looked like he was passing out. Finnishing the last round is 1 thing. If it goes the distance expect Junior to dominate early and get picked off and outworked rounds 7-11 again. Most fighters can work hard on the final round because its like sprinting the end of a race.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 12 Sep 2006, 04:42

I think that in the N'dou fight, he was in distress because he had injured his hand, and was finding it difficult to keep N'dou off him, I originally thought he was knackered, but it didn't look that way to me on second viewing. Maybe I am deluding myself, but I really think that Junior will turn in a far better performance than we have seen from him recently.

I find it hard to believe that he has declined from that N'dou performance to that Lynes performance physically in such a short space of time. Witter isn't shot, he hasn't taken a lot of abuse in the ring at all, in fact hardly any, and he should still be in his prime.

If he turns in a poor performance a-la Kotelnik and Lynes, he will almost certainly lose by decision, but he seems aware of that.

I've never been a Jr Witter fan, I've often criticised him and his camp for banging on endlessly about Hatton, but I do think he's a fighter who has had to do everything the hard way, and has earnt his shot at a title through dogged persistance, and for that reason I wish him the best of British.

At the end of the day, if Witter wins, not only will we have another world champion, but we will have a British unification fight potentially. Now that surely is a first, I cannot remember in my experience of any occasion where two brits held different versions of a title (not including the WBollocks titles) and fought to unify the belts.

Of course, I am probably dreaming here, I don't know that Hatton will ever fight Witter now, and maybe Witter will no longer be interested in fighting Hatton once he gets a belt and a chance to make some money, but we can hope.

Phenomenal-Nutrition · Post by **Phenomenal-Nutrition** » 12 Sep 2006, 04:45

TBH are we overating Corley anyway, I mean training with PBF must help allot but is he really better than Kotelnik who beat Abdulev (who gave Cotto a good scrap) after Witter.

Phenomenal-Nutrition · Post by **Phenomenal-Nutrition** » 12 Sep 2006, 04:56

Terence wrote:The occasion my bring a bit more from Corely, he, and his camp, seem the types who would relish coming to the UK and upsetting the limey in his own backyard (they probably think Witter, like the rest of us, lives in London).

It will also be hard for both men as they will not have the advantage of being a southpaw ususally, for most, brings. How many SP's has Witter put over?

Also remember Corley has 12kids to feed. Hes also been trainig with the Mayweathers. Witter should be on best form too though.

O/T I knew a Yank girl who said 'are you from Britain or London' 'wait britains in london though isn't it'.....'NO London is in England which is in Britain'....'Wait I'm confused England is in London though?'

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 12 Sep 2006, 04:58

Thing is, I really don't think Corley is all that special.

He was spanked by Mayweather, and was really worked over big time by Cotto, despite 'almost having him out of there.' Corley was rightly stopped in my opinion, as he took a knee and looked to be looking for a way out of there. He did the same thing against Mayweather, continually going down. Cotto was giving him a fearful beating at that point, and there was no way Corley was going to win, so for all the talk of biased referee and a shameful stoppage (yet the ref docked Cotto a point early in the fight for low blows with no warning) the truth is, Corley got beat up.

Aside from his big losses what are his major wins? Looking through his record, he's not really beaten great opposition, and aside from his short title run, his best result really is his loss to Judah.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 12 Sep 2006, 04:59

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:
Terence wrote:The occasion my bring a bit more from Corely, he, and his camp, seem the types who would relish coming to the UK and upsetting the limey in his own backyard (they probably think Witter, like the rest of us, lives in London).

It will also be hard for both men as they will not have the advantage of being a southpaw ususally, for most, brings. How many SP's has Witter put over?
Also remember Corley has 12kids to feed. Hes also been trainig with the Mayweathers. Witter should be on best form too though.

O/T I knew a Yank girl who said 'are you from Britain or London' 'wait britains in london though isn't it'.....'NO London is in England which is in Britain'....'Wait I'm confused England is in London though?'

I met a Yank on a plane who thought "Eyerrrland" was in London! What a fuckwit! It's not like I think Puerto Rico is in Manhattan.

Phenomenal-Nutrition · Post by **Phenomenal-Nutrition** » 12 Sep 2006, 05:05

jamesmcdonnell wrote:Thing is, I really don't think Corley is all that special.

He was spanked by Mayweather, and was really worked over big time by Cotto, despite 'almost having him out of there.' Corley was rightly stopped in my opinion, as he took a knee and looked to be looking for a way out of there. He did the same thing against Mayweather, continually going down. Cotto was giving him a fearful beating at that point, and there was no way Corley was going to win, so for all the talk of biased referee and a shameful stoppage (yet the ref docked Cotto a point early in the fight for low blows with no warning) the truth is, Corley got beat up.

Aside from his big losses what are his major wins? Looking through his record, he's not really beaten great opposition, and aside from his short title run, his best result really is his loss to Judah.

I'm not sure how special Corley is either, but you are underselling him. Mayweather embarases most fighters. And he did stun PBF and Cotto and ran Judah very close.

Cotto imo got saved by the ref in that fight. Not saying Corley would have won but he may have done and the ref was under orders to save the prospect. He took a knee to recover, getting stopped was way pre-mature. If Corley got through the round (and he deserved the opportunity) he could have come back to trouble Cotto.

Anyway Corley doesn't need to be a great, he just needs to survive early, while knicking a couple of rounds, and put the pressure on and outwork Witter from rounds 6-11.

I seem negative to Witter here, but I am actually a Witter fan, I can just see his weaknesses

Phenomenal-Nutrition · Post by **Phenomenal-Nutrition** » 12 Sep 2006, 05:06

jamesmcdonnell wrote:
Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:
Terence wrote:The occasion my bring a bit more from Corely, he, and his camp, seem the types who would relish coming to the UK and upsetting the limey in his own backyard (they probably think Witter, like the rest of us, lives in London).

It will also be hard for both men as they will not have the advantage of being a southpaw ususally, for most, brings. How many SP's has Witter put over?
Also remember Corley has 12kids to feed. Hes also been trainig with the Mayweathers. Witter should be on best form too though.

O/T I knew a Yank girl who said 'are you from Britain or London' 'wait britains in london though isn't it'.....'NO London is in England which is in Britain'....'Wait I'm confused England is in London though?'
I met a Yank on a plane who thought "Eyerrrland" was in London! What a smeg! It's not like I think Puerto Rico is in Manhattan.

No Puerto Rico is definately in Brooklyn

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 12 Sep 2006, 05:19

There's no way Corley was going to win that fight. He landed one shot which troubled Cotto, a temple shot which took his legs away, but really didn't come close to stopping him.

He didn't really trouble Mayweather much, he stiffened his legs for a couple of seconds and then Mayweather started laying into him. Bearing in mind that Mayweather kind of abandoned his usual strategy and went looking for Corley early on.

I don't see a lot of evidence of Corley's fantastic boxing skills we hear about, he doesn't look that fast or amazingly agile either.

Kotelink fought behind a tight guard, and sacrificed 5 rounds before starting to fight, but that isn't Corley's style, he doesn't have a tight defence, he uses the ring flicking out the southpaw jab, and is generally wide open to counters.

Stylisitcally I think his style plays right into Junior's hands.

salaco · Post by **salaco** » 12 Sep 2006, 05:46

jamesmcdonnell wrote:Thing is, I really don't think Corley is all that special.

He was spanked by Mayweather, and was really worked over big time by Cotto, despite 'almost having him out of there.' Corley was rightly stopped in my opinion, as he took a knee and looked to be looking for a way out of there. He did the same thing against Mayweather, continually going down. Cotto was giving him a fearful beating at that point, and there was no way Corley was going to win, so for all the talk of biased referee and a shameful stoppage (yet the ref docked Cotto a point early in the fight for low blows with no warning) the truth is, Corley got beat up.

Aside from his big losses what are his major wins? Looking through his record, he's not really beaten great opposition, and aside from his short title run, his best result really is his loss to Judah.

A little unfair. He spanked Randall Bailey back when the latter really was still regarded as a dangerous puncher in the 140Ib division and considered by many a live dog in that match-up...and the defeats of Flores for the title and Julio (?), I think, were pretty solid. he's a difficukt night for most, I suspect a lot of it is mental in Corley's case - he did just enough to lose against Judah, just did enough to hang in there with mayweather...but I doubt whether he will be as apprehensive against Witter - if Witter starts well, clocks him hard once or twice, Corley should do just enough to lose again...

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 12 Sep 2006, 05:50

Whoops, forgot about Randall Bailey, yes, another decent win, about the same level as Witter's win over N'dou I guess.

Perhaps I'm becoming intoxicated by my own argument, but I do think Witter has more than Corley to work with, it's just whether he puts it together on the night.

MightyWarrior · Post by **MightyWarrior** » 12 Sep 2006, 11:10

Junior might be in for a shock if he thinks Corely can't punch hard - I saw him ice and very useful Puerto Rican in one round when he picked up the title a few years back. And he had ex champ Julio down twice early in his first defence. Plus anyone who hurts both PBF and Cotto deserves massive respect - but Ingle seems to know all about that.

Could there be early fireworks? Or will we all be sound asleep by round 5?

mrbassie · Post by **mrbassie** » 12 Sep 2006, 11:24

good interview on saddos

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 12 Sep 2006, 13:05

I'll be fair to Witter. he looked like the best light welterweight on the planet for the first 4 or 5 rounds vs N'dou. Certainly the hardest puncher. maybe it was the hand.

Not seen the Lynes fight. As to Witter-Kotelnik, I remember that Kotelnik was probably the WORST showcase for Junior, just as Barney was all wrong if Froch was going to look good (on the same bill).

Kotelnik is a difficult bloke. If M'baye only just beat him, then he must have something going for him.

I have a feeling that Corley is going to throw himself at Witter. He's quite a muscular bloke. If he does, I just hope Witter hits him with enough to keep him honest, or else match the pace.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 12 Sep 2006, 14:46

MightyWarrior wrote:Junior might be in for a shock if he thinks Corely can't punch hard - I saw him ice and very useful Puerto Rican in one round when he picked up the title a few years back. And he had ex champ Julio down twice early in his first defence. Plus anyone who hurts both PBF and Cotto deserves massive respect - but Ingle seems to know all about that.

Could there be early fireworks? Or will we all be sound asleep by round 5?

I wouldn't say he can't punch, but he's a sneaky rather than devastating puncher, he throws his shots from out wide on a tight arc, especially the right hook which he sometimes throws as a lead shot, or the left which he throws in combination.

As I said before, his hurting mayweather has been greatly exaggerated, Mayweather was more shocked than hurt, and 20 second later he was giving Corley a pounding.

Corley isn't really all that elusive, and if he decides to let it all hang out, I can only see one Winner. Witter arguably hits harder with single shots than anyone currently campaigning in the division. He doesn't put his shots together well always, but he looked fantastic early on against N'dou.

Witter I think is at his best when he is on the front foot using his jab to back the other man up and following dropping in and out of range. It's when he's under pressure and starts backing up with his arms by his sides that he looks very vulnerable. He needs to stay close to Corley and hit him hard, often and early, and force Corley to trade. If he can do that, I think he has a very good chance of stopping him, Cotto chopped him down to size, despite being hurt, most of that fight was Cotto dishing it out to Corley, but that's been forgotten in the blind nonsense surrounding the fight. Cotto didn't go down, he didn't take a count and he never really looked like going down.

lvlarc · Post by **lvlarc** » 12 Sep 2006, 15:06

Can't find any odds for this fight. Tried Sportsbook/bet365/willhill

Be interesting to find who the bookies favour.

I'd lean towards Witter decision but you never know how he'll perform down the stretch whereas Corley has proven to be durable against some of the best.

50/50 fight?

Witter decision.

Found out Witter is 8/11 Corley is 5/4

Might be worth a punt on Corley then.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 12 Sep 2006, 18:44

hmm hardly worth it at those odds, you'd need to whack a fair bit on, which you might well lose. Witter is favourite in the states too.

Tantum · Post by **Tantum** » 12 Sep 2006, 19:00

jamesmcdonnell wrote:Witter hits harder than anyone Mayweather has faced to date

If you think Witter hits harder than Corrales, Castillo, and Gatti... You're a bigger homer than Max, and that's quite an accomplishment.