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...i'm impressed...east side boxing is loaded with highly qualified judges of literature.

hey..i'm not attacking you or your book....i'm just so happy that you are bale to judge it so objectively.

the only book on sullivan i recall reading is one by donald barr chidsey....and that was MANY years ago....i don't know the other one referred to here, so i'd say a good book on sullivan should me most welcome.

i wish you good sales, though it must be awfully hard for you to part with a copy.

Thanks. If you get it, please let me know what you think of it. Perhaps issue a post or review. Thanks.

Jaclem wrote:...i'm impressed...east side boxing is loaded with highly qualified judges of literature.

hey..i'm not attacking you or your book....i'm just so happy that you are bale to judge it so objectively.

the only book on sullivan i recall reading is one by donald barr chidsey....and that was MANY years ago....i don't know the other one referred to here, so i'd say a good book on sullivan should me most welcome.

i wish you good sales, though it must be awfully hard for you to part with a copy.

this book is excellent, I recieved my copy and it's everything he says it is. I think more books should be written with his ideas, using the current reports of the fights hasn't been done to any great degree and really gives you a sense of what is going on, the extent of sullivan's popularity is amazing in drawing thousands of people to watch sparring exhibitions.

I also find your post patronizing and immature.

..ammilhouse or whatever. it's been a long time since i've been called immature. thank you.

amhlilhaus wrote:

Jaclem wrote:...i'm impressed...east side boxing is loaded with highly qualified judges of literature.

hey..i'm not attacking you or your book....i'm just so happy that you are bale to judge it so objectively.

the only book on sullivan i recall reading is one by donald barr chidsey....and that was MANY years ago....i don't know the other one referred to here, so i'd say a good book on sullivan should me most welcome.

i wish you good sales, though it must be awfully hard for you to part with a copy.

this book is excellent, I recieved my copy and it's everything he says it is. I think more books should be written with his ideas, using the current reports of the fights hasn't been done to any great degree and really gives you a sense of what is going on, the extent of sullivan's popularity is amazing in drawing thousands of people to watch sparring exhibitions.

I also find your post patronizing and immature.

I agree with your assessment of Jaclem's post, however I find your post to be aged, decrepit, overly somber and completely lacking in youthful exuberance.

Well the CBZ will be the forum who's reviews I would pay attention to, which they're should be several before too long...as far as Eastside...I would try to distance myself as far away from that forum as possible...not that there isn't some very knowledgeable posters over there because there are, but there are a lot more who are not knowledgeable!

I don't know Apollack personally, but I have read and corresponded with him for a few years now at the CBZ and I really respect his opinion and I have no doubt about his book being good, but the price tag is a little too steep for me right now, but that shouldn't keep anyone else that may be interested...personally, I would put that kind of money into the Hartley Bibliography of Boxing Books as that is a title that I have been wanting for a good while now, but I can guarantee that Apollack's book, other than being a good read, will be a very good collectible book!

amhlilhaus---I don't know you, but being that you just joined the forum I doubt that you will get much enthusiasm from posters...especially when you go after a forum member who is well versed in boxing lore and well respected on this forum, which jaclem certainly is...we may not agree all the time, but he certainly knows what he is talking about as it pertains to boxing history and I find it quiet immature that someone would log in and in they're first post attack another long time member!

..thanks for the nice words barry.....but i have to admit was needling apollack for heaping so much praise on his own book. i honestly hope it's as good as he says it is....

..besides...as truman capote often said...." a boy has to hustle his book"

Jaclem--No problem...I was just speaking the truth!!!

I have no problem for someone pushing they're research to the best of they're ability...if a project does not live up to what someone says then a lot of negative responses will be heaped. No doubt Apollack believes very much in his book, which I would hope that I would do the same, but it's a double-edged sword as they will always be people who disagree with anything!

Though I do have to say...if it blows Isenberg's book away then it will be the best researched book ever written, which it may very well be...I don't know so I cannot say one way, or the other...I can just speak about what I do know and I do know that Isenberg's book is an absolute gem, but that doesn't mean that it cannot be out done!

How much is this famed book anyway?... or is it a secret???....
...all power to appollack for getting the book written and out there in the wide wide world... 8)

$45.00 U.S. Dollars, which I think would come out to 35.4615 EUR

For a hard cover book that is potentialy collectable $45.00 is not that much, unless it is under two hundred pages. Did't catch how many pages it was? Well researched is one thing and that is a plus but that does not automatically translate into interesting reading. Sometimes a book that has been researched meticulously can be overly complicated and dull. To be a good book it should be easily understood by it's readers.

What other books have you written Apollock? Perhaps you have a less expensive paperback out their of another book that potential readers of you're material might sample first to see if they wish to invest the $45.00.

Okay, I admit I'm selling hard, but I have good reasons.

1. I spent years and thousands of hours and probably more money researching this book than I'll ever recover in selling it. Without exaggeration, I devoted multiple hours per day every day for years researching and writing this. I even purchased microfilm reels from Australia so that I could obtain their perspective on Sullivan and Jackson. I obtained local newspaper reports on his fights and exhibitions, and not just one, but often a number of reports so that you could get a number of perspectives.

2. It is a labor of love and I'm really proud of it.

3. I know history fans are really going to like it. You will learn more about Sullivan's boxing career than ever before. This book does add to historical knowledge about Sullivan's career.

4. It is way different from Isenberg's book. I assure you that I am much more detailed when it comes to the BOXING information.

5. In order to keep getting books published like this one, I need it to sell so that publishers will keep publishing them. For those of you who read this book and would like to see more like it on the other champions, then spread the word. That will enable me to secure publishers for the others that I am currently working on.

I agree that the price is high, and it is paperback, not hardback. That said, it is really well put together and looks really nice. When you read it, you will know that you paid for something worthwhile, that it was something the author really put a lot of time and research into. It has 41 photos and 700 endnotes.

The publisher set the price, not me. I had nothing to do with it. The money is not my primary concern. It is simply a passion, not my profession. I will likely never recover all the money I put into this, nor be compensated for all the hours I put in. I also volunteer my time in the evenings training boxers - again, a labor of love.

I just want to add to boxing history and further knowledge and understanding about the sport. But, to ensure that I can get other such books published, I need publishers to feel that they can make money on them.

I am encouraging the publisher to lower the price, but so far it has fallen on deaf ears. They have their ways and factor in things that I probably have no clue about.

Bottom line though is you don't have to take my word for it, you can just wait for the reviews and posts by those who do read it. I'm sure they'll eventually trickle down. I am spreading the word, sure, but I'm not forcing anyone to buy it, nor attacking anyone who doesn't. It's your choice. I just want to arm you with the knowledge about why the book is a good choice. I have too much integrity to b.s. and puff if it wasn't really a solid book. Anyway, I even acknowledge boxrec in the book because this is an absolutely wonderful site, which obviously has a lot of appreciation for boxing history and continuously adds to it.

>>>The money is not my primary concern. It is simply a passion, not my profession. I will likely never recover all the money I put into this, nor be compensated for all the hours I put in. I also volunteer my time in the evenings training boxers - again, a labor of love.<<<

Isn’t that the truth...when it comes to making money on books...boxing books will certainly not make anyone wealthy and as you state we will usually spend a lot more money on research than we will likely ever gain, but it's a passion and certainly nothing financial that pushes us to write about boxers of old. I have only heard one person state that his primary concern of writing a certain book was to gain financially, which he must not have noticed the market for boxing literature…there just is not that big of a market for boxing books...except possibly libraries, which anyone should be able to sell a lot to libraries around the country.

I've been working on Terry McGovern for a couple of years now with intentions of eventually writing a bio on him, though I still have a few years of research to do before I plan to start writing, but I know that I will not become rich from it, or even break even from a book on McGovern, or from any other fighter that I may write about before I die, but it’s primarily just about getting the accurate facts out about a fighters career that interest me the most as opposed to trying to make money!

If there were any books that might actually make a little money it would be books on fighters like De la Hoya, Ali (even though there are probably 200+ books on Ali already) or some other very, very popular fighter, but who wants to cover things like that which has been covered over and over and over again and fighters who have book after book after book written about them so that there is absolutely nothing new, or original that someone can write about them!

There is a slew of fighters that I would like to see bio’s written about, which some have recently been written and are just waiting to be published, but other than those it would be fighters like Joe Gans, Ezz Charles, Tiger Jack Fox, Joe Grim, Henry Armstrong, Bob Satterfield, Tommy Gomez, Max Baer, Maxie Rosenbloom…etc, etc…which a couple of those guys have one, or two books about them, but nothing in-depth.

Check out Tracy Callis' review of the book:

http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/boxing/J ... Review.htm

That is the type of review to listen to...Tracy is probably better versed in that era of boxing than anyone I know and also one of the most honest people I know!

Also check out the review at the bottom of page 5 on this thread:

http://www.BS.com/forums/showt ... 294&page=6

See also this thread, where there is a review at the bottom of the page

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/sho ... 156&page=3

Does anyone here know IBRO's Mike Hunnicut? He read the book and loved it.

http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/cbzforum ... 159&page=2