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Surely he should be giving them away for Religious reasons not selling them!!

Most of it will be tapes. Which are an arse to convert on to DVD. & not all of them make it from tape to disc. Some simply come out badly. Which fights are you after? He has one of the biggest collections. But if I haven't got 'em, there's a good chance my trading partners have.

One thing though. His quality will be variable even on his master tapes. A lot of them come from the US, and so are conversions with shitty colour & no sharpness. A lot are old. & don't forget, if he's been trading in tape form all these years, most fights are copies of copies, and thus 2nd gen already. Unless of course it's ones he recorded himself. I've found that even fights that were on Sky, he never recorded them but got a VHS copy of a copy from the US. Conversion purgatory.

So, a lot of the new fights that I would take for granted being 100% perfect razor sharp, his may look poor. I'm not slandering, but there's no excuse to do bad copies of NEW fights in an era that ppl are recording straight onto DVD.

I've had new fights off him from America and they look appalling. I've had older fights - '90s british fights - that would've looked good: if they were his originals that is. So close yet so far. I've never been happy with what I've got off him. So beware, £2k is a lot.

fried bread wrote:Most of it will be tapes. Which are an arse to convert on to DVD. & not all of them make it from tape to disc. Some simply come out badly. Which fights are you after? He has one of the biggest collections. But if I haven't got 'em, there's a good chance my trading partners have.

One thing though. His quality will be variable even on his master tapes. A lot of them come from the US, and so are conversions with shitty colour & no sharpness. A lot are old. & don't forget, if he's been trading in tape form all these years, most fights are copies of copies, and thus 2nd gen already. Unless of course it's ones he recorded himself. I've found that even fights that were on Sky, he never recorded them but got a VHS copy of a copy from the US. Conversion purgatory.

So, a lot of the new fights that I would take for granted being 100% perfect razor sharp, his may look poor. I'm not slandering, but there's no excuse to do bad copies of NEW fights in an era that ppl are recording straight onto DVD.

I've had new fights off him from America and they look appalling. I've had older fights - '90s british fights - that would've looked good: if they were his originals that is. So close yet so far. I've never been happy with what I've got off him. So beware, £2k is a lot.

I build my collection piecemeal. Never all at once. It's more exciting that way. Trading with only the best traders, and disregarding a fair # of even theirs.

What I find with alot of traders, Red Dragon aside, is that most just focus (no pun) on the fights and not the full production, and I like to see all the hype - the music etc.

I have bought and traded from Red Dragon in the past and his full shows are brilliant - considering their age. There are some that I thought must be in circulation that Red Dragon hasn't got (full), but he has asked around the various contacts he has and he cannot get them. They are very rare, to have them full.

I'm talking about the old British shows, such as Hamed vs Hardy PPV FULL, Calzaghe vs Woodhall PPV Full etc etc etc. Now, naturally if people are complaining about his videos then the picture is going to be poor - cause they have to be copies of his masters, but surely he uses his masters for the DVD's -so it would be interesting to see what his picture would be like for them.

Silkov has an excellent collection, most of which are his own recording with an excellent picture (so I am told) - although I have asked him in the past what does he have from that era that is full and he is not sure.

There was a bloke on the back of boxing monthly selling up his collection (not a regular trader there, but with a big collection). I contacted him and again he couldn't tell me what was a full show and what wasn't.

I'd be interested in most of fightfocus's full shows, and was thinking more of the lines of the British stuff due to picture quality.

Interestingly i noticed Boxing News are no longer having traders/sellers etc in the classifieds section. Also a guy i know uses Steve Day from Boxing Monthly and claims his sets are excellent and that he has legal permission and access to the shows...is this true? I was dubious i must admit.

Depends what you're after. Fried Bread & Zendo are best for custom fights, by far. Because they have VG selection (current and older), they go after a lot of obscure & international stuff & if they get something in that's bad quality, they will NEVER try & sell it to you. Paul Billingham is another top seller; he was in the back of BM for a while. They do their own menus, their quality is tops, and you have choice - so I would say for professional custom service they are ones to go for.

For full shows, those other guys might be better. I've always bought fights and not shows, before I started trading.

Yeah i trade myself mate, just to increase and expand my collection now though. It's a wee hobby just. Paul Billingham's Tyson set is second to none, excellent picture quality throughout and menus too, i have yet to see a better Tyson set or maybe any set thus far

viciousmaussa wrote:Depends what you're after. Fried Bread & Zendo are best for custom fights, by far. Because they have VG selection (current and older), they go after a lot of obscure & international stuff & if they get something in that's bad quality, they will NEVER try & sell it to you. Paul Billingham is another top seller; he was in the back of BM for a while. They do their own menus, their quality is tops, and you have choice - so I would say for professional custom service they are ones to go for.

For full shows, those other guys might be better. I've always bought fights and not shows, before I started trading.

Red Dragon has an excellent collection, and just how I like to recieve the discs - quick.... More focus on the quality of the picture as oppose to the menu's/fancy boxes etc. I tend to edit any, so less menu's etc is better for me.

He is also excellent at making custom discs quickly - i.e. putting two 1 hour shows onto DVD and his delivery time is first class. He is also very understanding if things go wrong. I "bought" two discs from him once, one had a slight mark and wasn't playing right. I contacted him, not only did he send me a new copy, but told me I didn't have to pay for any of the discs (even the other one that was fine!)

I've done alot of trading with him and he is absolutely sound.

I've also done trading with Steve, Real Deal and Fightfirst (who is DVD only) - all of whom I have no complaints about.

Stu thanks for the kind words,now get your head out your ass and let me what shows your wanting on the 11 and counting dvds

red dragon wrote:Stu thanks for the kind words,now get your head out your ass and let me what shows your wanting on the 11 and counting dvds

Fair comment, I just feel like a kid in a sweet shop though looking are your list.

The 12th disc will be posted soon, had a few problems with my discs.

Same applies for Steve.

fried bread wrote: One thing though. His quality will be variable even on his master tapes. A lot of them come from the US, and so are conversions with shitty colour & no sharpness. A lot are old. & don't forget, if he's been trading in tape form all these years, most fights are copies of copies, and thus 2nd gen already. Unless of course it's ones he recorded himself. I've found that even fights that were on Sky, he never recorded them but got a VHS copy of a copy from the US. Conversion purgatory.

So, a lot of the new fights that I would take for granted being 100% perfect razor sharp, his may look poor. I'm not slandering, but there's no excuse to do bad copies of NEW fights in an era that ppl are recording straight onto DVD.
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Exactly. None of Muhammad Foleys tapes are original.

He was making a mint of countless dumb f-cks but he wsas not investing the money in his own business. He wouldn't buy PPVs & flogs copies of copies of brand new Sky stuff.

Guy can f-ck off as far as i'm concerned.

overhand_right wrote:

fried bread wrote: One thing though. His quality will be variable even on his master tapes. A lot of them come from the US, and so are conversions with shitty colour & no sharpness. A lot are old. & don't forget, if he's been trading in tape form all these years, most fights are copies of copies, and thus 2nd gen already. Unless of course it's ones he recorded himself. I've found that even fights that were on Sky, he never recorded them but got a VHS copy of a copy from the US. Conversion purgatory.

So, a lot of the new fights that I would take for granted being 100% perfect razor sharp, his may look poor. I'm not slandering, but there's no excuse to do bad copies of NEW fights in an era that ppl are recording straight onto DVD.
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Exactly. None of Muhammad Foleys tapes are original.

He was making a mint of countless dumb f-cks but he wsas not investing the money in his own business. He wouldn't buy PPVs & flogs copies of copies of brand new Sky stuff.

Guy can f-ck off as far as i'm concerned.

I know, and he asks £75 for subscription tapes! I found out the hard way, just buy Sky and get a US trading partner, and find a European and a Japanese trading partner. Get a DVD drive on your PC, download TMP Enc DVD Author Pro, get yourself a really god DVD recorder (Panasonic are best), and you're rolling.

Foley was getting by on the strength of a good advert alone, but really it was slanderous.

stujones wrote:

viciousmaussa wrote:Depends what you're after. Fried Bread & Zendo are best for custom fights, by far. Because they have VG selection (current and older), they go after a lot of obscure & international stuff & if they get something in that's bad quality, they will NEVER try & sell it to you. Paul Billingham is another top seller; he was in the back of BM for a while. They do their own menus, their quality is tops, and you have choice - so I would say for professional custom service they are ones to go for.

For full shows, those other guys might be better. I've always bought fights and not shows, before I started trading.

Red Dragon has an excellent collection, and just how I like to recieve the discs - quick.... More focus on the quality of the picture as oppose to the menu's/fancy boxes etc. I tend to edit any, so less menu's etc is better for me.

He is also excellent at making custom discs quickly - i.e. putting two 1 hour shows onto DVD and his delivery time is first class. He is also very understanding if things go wrong. I "bought" two discs from him once, one had a slight mark and wasn't playing right. I contacted him, not only did he send me a new copy, but told me I didn't have to pay for any of the discs (even the other one that was fine!)

I've done alot of trading with him and he is absolutely sound.

I've also done trading with Steve, Real Deal and Fightfirst (who is DVD only) - all of whom I have no complaints about.

Can't stand musical menus and fancy boxes, either

Lads, have any of you bought off Boxingvideoclassics?

I asked for a price quote for some Casamayor, Corrales & Margarito fights. Some of the few I don't have. Whatever would fit on 4 discs.

This is the response I get

"I hate to tell you this, but the order you wish you could get, which would be any collector's dream, is exactly the kind of order that I don't like doing.
Let me explain why.
First, the order is obviously set up to get as many short fights as possible onto 4 dvds, with the fights as short as possible, specifically to get as many possible on dvds. I really don't care for that approach.
Second, most of the fights are on networks that had commercials, and will require an inordinate amount of real-time recording and editing of commercials, as well as editing for intros to decision.
Since I will make a copy for myself of each fight, I will have to edit commercials even if you don't care about them. It can't be avoided.
A 4 dvd order like this will take two or three times as long to record as the average 4 dvd order I do.
Third, there are many fights of the same fighters, suggesting that this order could be used to fill in missing fights from a soon to be completed career set. I don't want any part of that.

I don't know if the fights can fit on 4 dvds or not. Most of the fights are quite short, but I do have a 4 bout per dvd limit which I do not exceed, specifically to eliminate the kind of orders that are put together specifically to get a lot of short fights on each dvd. That sort of recording is for the cheap fight sellers, not for me."

Cheeky fvcker or what? For $25 a disc! & only 14 fights requested. Looks like it's too much trouble, selling fights

What a prick! Whatever happened to 'The customer is king' what the hell does he think he's doing if not providing what people want, the bit where he says "I want no part of that" with regard to people wanting whole career sets of fighters is absolutely hilarious, what a tool!

Fair enough if he doesn't want to do them, why not just say 'no thanks, too much effort for too little return.'

jamesmcdonnell wrote:What a prick! Whatever happened to 'The customer is king' what the hell does he think he's doing if not providing what people want, the bit where he says "I want no part of that" with regard to people wanting whole career sets of fighters is absolutely hilarious, what a tool!

Fair enough if he doesn't want to do them, why not just say 'no thanks, too much effort for too little return.'

I know, and on top of that HE ACCUSES ME OF WANTING TO SELL "DODGY CAREER SETS", given that the fights are relatively rare and might befilling up a collection. Even if I wanted to sell career sets, how would a make a profit paying £60 for 4 discs (p&p inclused)?

In any case, what sodding business is it of his? If he wants to stop people making career sets, why doesn't he sell them himself the stupid tosser.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:In any case, what sodding business is it of his? If he wants to stop people making career sets, why doesn't he sell them himself the stupid tosser.

He certainly has no copyright. Don King has tried to shut him down more than once. & thus no authority to tell ppl what to do with them once they've paid for 'em.

He's way out of order.

He does seem out of line, I'm sure custom made DVD's are time consuming (hence my praise for Red Dragon) but you should either advertise that you do them or not.... Not yes, but is some cases I won't.

Seems it's about time I started building up my collection. Time to start spending some money. I really really want to get some career sets going, it's the best thing for really getting some knowledge on fighters. Most of us have seen a few big fights of the biggest names, but it's not the same as watching a whole career.

Ha ha i think it was Boxingvideoclassics who was slandering me on the wanted/trades/sale thread! I called his website pretentious and he followed me into Boxrec forum and started calling me names. He is a muppet.

Stu is right by the way, i am also like a kid in a sweet shop when i see those lists! No rush on the disk though mate

And finally....Red Dragon deserves all the hype, he is a true world champion (WBC, IBF etc) always provides a top notch service and excellent disks and he is a genuinely nice fella. Couldn't recommend him highly enough.

And just as an extra note, i like the way Red Dragon's career sets are all in order of fights. It's a small annoyance to me buying career sets in jumbled order, don't like it.

Anyone tried http://www.superstarsofboxing.co.uk? His sets are plentiful and surprisingly cheap. If the quality is as good as he claims then i may be taking a few very soon.

steve689 wrote:Ha ha i think it was Boxingvideoclassics who was slandering me on the wanted/trades/sale thread! I called his website pretentious and he followed me into Boxrec forum and started calling me names. He is a muppet.

Stu is right by the way, i am also like a kid in a sweet shop when i see those lists! No rush on the disk though mate

And finally....Red Dragon deserves all the hype, he is a true world champion (WBC, IBF etc) always provides a top notch service and excellent disks and he is a genuinely nice fella. Couldn't recommend him highly enough.

That was him, I remember it well, LOL

Red Dragon is a gent.

has anyone bought anythin from 1boxing.com? thought id see if anyones dealt with them before cos they seem to have some great sets and really cheap too. also whats the address for red dragon? thanks!

Mick at 1Boxing does a massive Ali set, i brought his Larry Holmes set and it is good quality and well presented and well priced. The only drawback is his sets are not in career order which is a personal gripe. Other than that no problems with this fella.