Posted: 02 Nov 2006, 06:49
More of a 1 punch knockdown actually, Tubbs' cornerman was in the ring as soon as Tony hit the canvas. He didn't seem hurt too badly IMO.overhand_right wrote: Tubbs- finally, a bonafide 1 punch KO!
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Has Tyson lost his power?.
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Posted: 02 Nov 2006, 06:58
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I really don't get the argument. Tyson was a ferocious puncher because he combined speed, accuracy, power and combos. Somebody saying someone else had more power takes nothing away from Tyson. So what if Smith hit harder? The all round better puncher is still Tyson.
I really don't get the argument. Tyson was a ferocious puncher because he combined speed, accuracy, power and combos. Somebody saying someone else had more power takes nothing away from Tyson. So what if Smith hit harder? The all round better puncher is still Tyson.
Posted: 02 Nov 2006, 07:57
Did ribalta mention anyone else besides smith and cooney who hit harder than tyson . What about morrison?.enrique wrote:Jose Ribalta -who fought them all- told me that Tyson was not the hardest puncher he ever faced, that others - Bonecrusher Smith for example- hit much harder than Tyson. Cooney- whom Jose sparred with- was also a much harder banger.
Ribalta said that Tyson did have a plus that Bone crusher did not. Tyson threw a lot and mixed his punches better. As Jose explained it, the harder punchers would throw one or two and plod on, while Tyson -at his peak- would throw five or six, going from body to head and back down.
Also, when he was younger and faster, the speed played a factor in the power momentum of his punches.
I'm not saying he's a powder puff. Any heavyweight can hurt you with a single shot, but the mentally unmotivated, shot fighter he is today can not put together a power combination with the speed he once had...
Oh, and the few marbles he had.... gone, adios, goodbye. Cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs...
Posted: 02 Nov 2006, 08:05
Foreman and Liston certainly hit harder than Tyson... I'd say those two are the hardest punching heavies I've ever seen by some way.....
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Posted: 02 Nov 2006, 08:14
Personally, I think Tyson was easily a top ten heavyweight, but it's often funny to see a lot of people who will praise Lennox Lewis for a slew of boring, un-inspired wins against pretty much the same kind of opposiiton as Tyson, yet they will damn Tyson's opponents and ignore how dominant he really was...bias...you tell me!
Tyson is among the hardest hitters in the history of the sport...that should be pretty obvious to any one that has followed his career! The hardest hitters that I have seen are probably Shavers and Foreman, but there are many old-timers as well that could punch holes through steel!
Tyson is among the hardest hitters in the history of the sport...that should be pretty obvious to any one that has followed his career! The hardest hitters that I have seen are probably Shavers and Foreman, but there are many old-timers as well that could punch holes through steel!
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Posted: 02 Nov 2006, 08:31
Longevity, Tyson's prime lasted about 91 seconds.barry wrote:Personally, I think Tyson was easily a top ten heavyweight, but it's often funny to see a lot of people who will praise Lennox Lewis for a slew of boring, un-inspired wins against pretty much the same kind of opposiiton as Tyson, yet they will damn Tyson's opponents and ignore how dominant he really was...bias...you tell me!
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Posted: 02 Nov 2006, 08:43
>>>Longevity, Tyson's prime lasted about 91 seconds.<<<
Who said anything about longevity?
And to say Tyson's prime last about 91 seconds...well...it's really pretty silly!
Who said anything about longevity?
And to say Tyson's prime last about 91 seconds...well...it's really pretty silly!
Posted: 02 Nov 2006, 10:40
I'd rate Tyson outside the top 10 because of his mental flaws, he is just too flawed to make the top 10, as is Lewis imo... but at least Lewis avenged his defeats, and came back from being behind and hirt in fights to win... all things Tyson never did during his career. If Tyson had the mental strength of Marcinao, Frazier or Holifield then he'd have been a top 5 all timer possibly, but those flaws put him behind the likes of Frazier, Marciano and Holifield, amongst others, so he doesnt make the top 10 imo... I'd have him around 14 or 15... for pure punching he is definately in the top 10 or even top 5, but as an allround fighter he was too flawed to merit a higher place... Lewis was less potent a fighter but had the better mentality and so I'd rate Lewis higher... 
Posted: 02 Nov 2006, 12:25
I agree with Silkov. I rate Lewis above Tyson on consistency and capacity to come back in rematches.
Tyson was -and is- his own worst enemy. I don't think he has the greatest heart either, based on his McBride performance.
His peak lasted more than 91 seconds... 92 at least. Seriously, he peaked out fast due to his own self destructiveness.
By th way Red Rose, I will ask Ribalta about other punchers. I talk to him every week. He wants to do his autobiography and it might become my seventh book -third one on boxing.
Tyson was -and is- his own worst enemy. I don't think he has the greatest heart either, based on his McBride performance.
His peak lasted more than 91 seconds... 92 at least. Seriously, he peaked out fast due to his own self destructiveness.
By th way Red Rose, I will ask Ribalta about other punchers. I talk to him every week. He wants to do his autobiography and it might become my seventh book -third one on boxing.
Posted: 03 Nov 2006, 07:15
How is Jose doing these days? What does he do to make a living?
Is he in good shape mentally & physically?
I always like Jose, got a lot of his fights, just feel he lacked confidence.
A couple of years ago i heard he was scheduled to fight Dale Crow, don't knwo how true that was though.
Is he in good shape mentally & physically?
I always like Jose, got a lot of his fights, just feel he lacked confidence.
A couple of years ago i heard he was scheduled to fight Dale Crow, don't knwo how true that was though.
Posted: 03 Nov 2006, 07:31
Posted: 03 Nov 2006, 07:42
I recently got hold of Ribaltas fight with Marvis Frazier, havent watched it yet but it looks like a good one, would be grateful if you could ask him what his memories of that fight are Enriquie!... 
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I was just discussing the Tyson / Ribalta fight with a buddy of mine at work today. Ribalta has earned my utmost respect from how well he handled the pressure of Mike's shots. The 2nd knockdown, I believe on Tysons famed hook to the body than uppercut just about took Ribaltas head off. But Ribalta was game and got back up much to the suprise of everyone and faught another 2 rounds and almost made it to the end.enrique wrote: By th way Red Rose, I will ask Ribalta about other punchers. I talk to him every week. He wants to do his autobiography and it might become my seventh book -third one on boxing.
Posted: 05 Nov 2006, 19:41
Jose got out with some solvency. He owns his own home in North Miami Beach and also has a rental property. He works security for the Miami Dade County School board and trains a couple of fighters and a couple of white collar -wanna- learn-from-a-pro types.
He fought them all and had a decent career which included wins over Leon Spinks and Jeff Simms. We are discussing a book of his memoirs and I've got about 40 pages of notes so far. He has some interesting stories.
He fought them all and had a decent career which included wins over Leon Spinks and Jeff Simms. We are discussing a book of his memoirs and I've got about 40 pages of notes so far. He has some interesting stories.
Posted: 06 Nov 2006, 12:43
did you ask him about tysons power yet?.enrique wrote:Jose got out with some solvency. He owns his own home in North Miami Beach and also has a rental property. He works security for the Miami Dade County School board and trains a couple of fighters and a couple of white collar -wanna- learn-from-a-pro types.
He fought them all and had a decent career which included wins over Leon Spinks and Jeff Simms. We are discussing a book of his memoirs and I've got about 40 pages of notes so far. He has some interesting stories.
Posted: 06 Nov 2006, 13:20
It's always good to hear that an ex-pro is doing ok. Ribalta was a big, tough fighter in his day and I have no doubt if he was around today he would have picked up a World Title.enrique wrote:Jose got out with some solvency. He owns his own home in North Miami Beach and also has a rental property. He works security for the Miami Dade County School board and trains a couple of fighters and a couple of white collar -wanna- learn-from-a-pro types.
He fought them all and had a decent career which included wins over Leon Spinks and Jeff Simms. We are discussing a book of his memoirs and I've got about 40 pages of notes so far. He has some interesting stories.
Good luck with the book project.