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Yeah Tszyu and Randall put Chavez on the canvas but so what? How old was he, how many fights had he had and at what stage of his career was he at?

Caulk Rocket wrote:

dr_devious wrote:LaMotta
Hagler
Monzon
Ali
Chavez
Toney
Hopkins
McClellan
McCallum
Eubank
Villasana
Nelson (Battling & Azuman)
Sanchez
McCullogh
Mercer
McCall
Holmes
Palomino
Greb
Hudkins

Great list. Almost read my mind....

No complaints here as such, but i would ask that you take another look at the pocket rocket, he seems a bit low.

bollox wrote:Yeah Tszyu and Randall put Chavez on the canvas but so what? How old was he, how many fights had he had and at what stage of his career was he at?

sorry pal, you said and I quote...

bollox wrote:
Julio Cesar Chavez took on some hefty hitters and none of them managed to so much as ruffle him let alone put him down

I provided pictoral evidence of just the opposite. I didnt mean to upset you!

I am prepared to offer evidence that Camacho put Chavez down as well.

Have to disagree Syntax, I feel Joey Maxim scored a thoroughly legitimate KO win over Sugar Ray Robinson. Quitting on your stool doesn't exonerate a fighter, and as Maxim said "It was 120 degrees in that ring for me too".

Andy Mac wrote:

Caulk Rocket wrote:

dr_devious wrote:LaMotta
Hagler
Monzon
Ali
Chavez
Toney
Hopkins
McClellan
McCallum
Eubank
Villasana
Nelson (Battling & Azuman)
Sanchez
McCullogh
Mercer
McCall
Holmes
Palomino
Greb
Hudkins

Great list. Almost read my mind....

No complaints here as such, but i would ask that you take another look at the pocket rocket, he seems a bit low.

It wasnt in order, although I find it difficult to think of any fighter who had a better chin than Hagler or La Motta.
Chavez had a great chin in his prime, he only got stopped late on in his career after lots of wars.

Monzon.... solid granite.

Yes, Monzón was very solid, as granite, but Felipe Cambeiro, in only 8 rounds, knocked down him three times

Remember Kid Gavilán and Rocky Marciano

Martin Sosa Cameron wrote:Yes, Monzón was very solid, as granite, but Felipe Cambeiro, in only 8 rounds, knocked down him three times

Remember Kid Gavilán and Rocky Marciano

What carries more significance...getting back up after knockdowns or not getting knocked down in the first place? Monzon got back up 3 times, did he not? Marciano had to pick himself up off the canvas too...

Sweet Scientist wrote:

Martin Sosa Cameron wrote:Yes, Monzón was very solid, as granite, but Felipe Cambeiro, in only 8 rounds, knocked down him three times

Remember Kid Gavilán and Rocky Marciano

What carries more significance...getting back up after knockdowns or not getting knocked down in the first place? Monzon got back up 3 times, did he not? Marciano had to pick himself up off the canvas too...

Of course, you're right in "more significance", and I don't deny how solid was Monzón, it's an anecdote rarely mentioned; it's very good when a fighter was k.d. many times but he did all the rounds. And Rocky, in all his pro career, was k.d. only twice; thanks!

Being knocked off balance is not a story about your chin.....going down is an issue of it's own but if your back up clear headed your chin did it's job.....

I equate chins with clear headedness in spite of KD's or solid shots. Monzon got up and finished his business with the gentleman though it was a loss he later avenged it.

He learned from it.

Forget getting knocked down, it's the ability to get up and rcover that determines a great chin. Though saying that, not ever to be legitimately knocked down is some feat. Hagler and Chuvalo I think can claim this.
JC had a fantastic chin, despite being knocked down.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:

Sweet Scientist wrote:Don't forget Chuck Wepner...after fighting Liston, he needed something like 218 stitches...I saw him in an interview years after that fight saying that he felt facial bones cracking and crunching every time Liston landed late in the fight...I'd call that a 'good chin'...if you couldn't cut Wepner...you couldn't stop him...

wepner didnt have a good chin actually

I agree. Wepner didn't have a good chin. Wepner had a great chin.

BoxBuzz wrote:Being knocked off balance is not a story about your chin.....going down is an issue of it's own but if your back up clear headed your chin did it's job.....

I equate chins with clear headedness in spite of KD's or solid shots. Monzon got up and finished his business with the gentleman though it was a loss he later avenged it.

He learned from it.

You're right!

Jose Napoles.

kick asner wrote:I scrolled through the list a couple of times and didn't see Tex Cobb. He took some good shots from an aged but dangerous Earnie Shavers. He also took alot of punishment from Holmes and survived.

I remember a few months ago this topic came up and nobody brought up Tex then either...his chin took punishment that very few could even dream of taking from Shavers. Impressive performance