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OLD-LONDON-RULES wrote:pbf would make Fatton his b!tch.

Yes Mayweather fights with so much authority these days, at the higher weights, LOL

funny how Hatton can look bad moving up a weight against Collazo, but PBF-Baldomir was apparently fight of the Year. I could not give two fucks what the judges scored it, you cannot tell me that was a defining moment for PBF.

Edit: reminded me in some ways of Hopkins-Tarver. a win, but hardly a risk

Terence wrote:Floyd cannot block De La Hoya's shots on the ropes without risking everything, so he won't do that. He cannot do a Baldomir on Oscar because Oscar will close the distance and if he does do that type of fight Floyd will literally have to run from one side of the ring to the other.

You don't beat Floyd by fighting once a year? You do not beat Oscar by fighting two duds in a year and having to use hit and leg it tactics against a fighter as limited as Baldomir.

Floyd is a special talent but he is unlikely to give anyone a true beating at the higher weights. He either has to engage or stink the place out.

I wonder about Floyd's movement, especially up at 154. He'll need to be able to at least sidestep away quickly, but he has become more and more economical in his moves.

Nonetheless, DLH isn't the best fighter in the world after 7 or 8 rounds, so I'm not sure what's going to happen. I'll probably enjoy the undercard more.

I know what is going to happen in the PBF V DLH fight....errr....no I dont.......yes I do......nope its gone.

I need to think about it some more....actually I dont cause its starting to hurt my napper

viciousmaussa wrote:

Terence wrote:Floyd cannot block De La Hoya's shots on the ropes without risking everything, so he won't do that. He cannot do a Baldomir on Oscar because Oscar will close the distance and if he does do that type of fight Floyd will literally have to run from one side of the ring to the other.

You don't beat Floyd by fighting once a year? You do not beat Oscar by fighting two duds in a year and having to use hit and leg it tactics against a fighter as limited as Baldomir.

Floyd is a special talent but he is unlikely to give anyone a true beating at the higher weights. He either has to engage or stink the place out.

I wonder about Floyd's movement, especially up at 154. He'll need to be able to at least sidestep away quickly, but he has become more and more economical in his moves.

Nonetheless, DLH isn't the best fighter in the world after 7 or 8 rounds, so I'm not sure what's going to happen. I'll probably enjoy the undercard more.

Hmm, not sure Oscar will be tiring over the last four unless Mayweather is able to put him under some kind of pressure, either by forcing him to chase him around the ring while countering, or staying in the pocket and flurrying. Oscar's faced much bigger punchers than Mayweather, and only really trinidad was able to get him to outright run due to fatigue.

I can't wait for this, I just hope it turns into a real fight.

i wanna see hatton v cotto at the end of the year.

with a bit of luck it could happen.

DG. wrote:

yiddo14 wrote:If Hatton beats both Urango and Castillo,thats his HOF spot sewn up.

M'Baye!!)

You are Joking,

About what?
He has already achieved more than Hall of famer Barry McGuigan.Beating Urango and Castillo would sew up his spot.

Or do you think I was joking at him fighting M'Baye?

hitman_hatton1 wrote:i wanna see hatton v cotto at the end of the year.

with a bit of luck it could happen.

I cannot see Hatton ever going back up to Welterweight or Cotto coming back down to Light Welterweight.....so for me it does not happen......Hatton missed the boat with the Cotto & Mayweather fights when Warren was trying to scam as much money as he could from the WBU belt.

Hagler2k6 wrote:

hitman_hatton1 wrote:i wanna see hatton v cotto at the end of the year.

with a bit of luck it could happen.

I cannot see Hatton ever going back up to Welterweight or Cotto coming back down to Light Welterweight.....so for me it does not happen......Hatton missed the boat with the Cotto & Mayweather fights when Warren was trying to scam as much money as he could from the WBU belt.

hatton has never ruled out going back to 147.

plus he has always wanted to fight cotto.

i think it happens.

As long as he is with Billy Graham he doesnt go back up to 147

jamesmcdonnell wrote:At 154, 147 and 140, Oscar is a far bigger puncher than Floyd, you have to go back to his days at 135 and below to see Floyd as a puncher, and even then, he never had the one shot power Oscar did.

I cannot see how Floyd can possibly put a dent of any kind in Oscar, who has a granite chin. Look at the shots Mosley unloaded on Oscar, and Oscar just stood toe to toe taking them and dishing shots out.

Of course, Oscar's timing could be crucial, but even if it is off, I think he is going to catch Floyd a few times, and has the experience and the speed of hand to make him pay when he does.

He doesn't need to put a dent on Oscar he needs to hit and not get hit. Its the new milleniums Hagler-Leonard and Mayweather has the same chance Leonard had.

Also lets look how Oscar did against pure boxers or fast handed fighters - Old Whitaker, Rusty Quartey, Sturm, Mosley. When Oscar can't beat his opponent to the punch he has problems. Aswell as speed he also can have problems with angles and movement.

I'd say its a 50-50 because of Oscars size, power and skill. But I wouldn't be very suprised if this looks like Mayweather-Corrales

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:I'd say its a 50-50 because of Oscars size, power and skill. But I wouldn't be very suprised if this looks like Mayweather-Corrales

without the knockdowns and stoppage.

floyd on pts i reckon.

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:At 154, 147 and 140, Oscar is a far bigger puncher than Floyd, you have to go back to his days at 135 and below to see Floyd as a puncher, and even then, he never had the one shot power Oscar did.

I cannot see how Floyd can possibly put a dent of any kind in Oscar, who has a granite chin. Look at the shots Mosley unloaded on Oscar, and Oscar just stood toe to toe taking them and dishing shots out.

Of course, Oscar's timing could be crucial, but even if it is off, I think he is going to catch Floyd a few times, and has the experience and the speed of hand to make him pay when he does.

He doesn't need to put a dent on Oscar he needs to hit and not get hit. Its the new milleniums Hagler-Leonard and Mayweather has the same chance Leonard had.

Also lets look how Oscar did against pure boxers or fast handed fighters - Old Whitaker, Rusty Quartey, Sturm, Mosley. When Oscar can't beat his opponent to the punch he has problems. Aswell as speed he also can have problems with angles and movement.

I'd say its a 50-50 because of Oscars size, power and skill. But I wouldn't be very suprised if this looks like Mayweather-Corrales

There's some valid points there.

Oscar is a lot more experienced now than when he fought Whittaker though. Sturm was a genuine middleweight, Quartey a big banger, who again came a lot earlier than Oscar did during his career. For all his problems with Mosley, it was a damned close fight, and Mosley was a real force at the weight, and in his prime, and certainly hit a lot harder and more consistently than Mayweather.

How mobile is mayweather going to be? Sure, he can make Gatti and Baldomir look like statues, but I don't think he's going to be much faster than Oscar at 154. I reckon Mayweather will come in around 150 at the weigh in, but even so, I think Oscar will be able to hit him often and hard enough to make this a hard night's work for Floyd.

Its a tough fight to call, split my mates down the middle. I agree with what James said. I don't think it was Quartey's speed that troubled DLH it was the fact that every punch landed Oscar knew about. Not hurt everytime, but he was a bit cautious.

Yes, Mosley vs DLH 1 was a close one. The right winner, but I only had it by 7 rounds to 5 as I think so did most people. It was a relatively easy fight to score (hense why it is not considered controvesial) but DLH did win some rounds. In my opinion, he won the rematch bigger than Mosley won fight 2.

Also, while we say DLH is a bit of a bulked up Welter himself, I would say arguably his 3 career best performances have come at this weight - vs Vargas, vs Mosley II and vs Castilejo. Also did pretty well (IMO) as an essentially a Light Middle vs Hopkins and of course last time out.

However, my concern is (and I am rooting for Oscar) is that I had the exact same thoughts for Gatti vs Mayweather. I thought surely at one period of the fight Gatti's strength will take over and he'll start to catch him regularly. I didn't think Mayweather had the power to hurt Gatti like he did and I thought that if Jesus Chavez and Jose Luis Castillo had enough speed to catch Mayweather at times - then so does Gatti.

Obviously, DLH has more speed again, more strength, more power and a better chin than Gatti. However, that performance was possibly the single greatest boxing exhibition I have ever seen - There was nothing in that performance that can offer DLH's fans hope. Nothing to suggest he couldn't repeat a similar effort even vs someone of DLH's skills.

Gatti though Stu, doesn't have one ounce the ring smarts of Oscar. He fought the worst possible fight, trying to box the quicker slicker man from range, and standing right in front of him pawing with the jab.

There's no way on god's green earth that Oscar is going to stand right in front of Mayweather doing bugger all. He will either try to rush him and bully him up close, or use his own movement and jab to try and force the shorter man to engage.

I really cannot wait for this one, the anticipation is absolutely killing me.

DLH is light years ahead of Gatti in every department. I think its a pretty close fight and Mayweather will be in his hardest fight.