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Holyfield TKO 5

Some people may of fogotten that an old blown up Holyfield actually BEAT prime Lewis in the rematch! But was blindly robbed.

Decagon wrote:Some people might have forgotten that you once said that Carry Coetzie was one of the 20 greatest heavyweights of all time.

That is one of Razor's more rational opinions compared with his views on Lennox Lewis

RazorKO wrote:Holyfield TKO 5

Some people may of fogotten that an old blown up Holyfield actually BEAT prime Lewis in the rematch! But was blindly robbed.

You must have been watching the match with Don King Productions commentary.
The rematch was close but HBO still scored it for Lewis.

Heartbreak_Kid79 wrote:Of course Ruiz isn't in a prime Holy class

But then again You can't liken Ruiz to Lewis.
Lewis is streets ahead of Ruiz!

Just look at how both fighters handled David Tua differently!!

You're missing my point.

You are claiming Evander wasn't washed up when Lewis beat him in their first fight.

But Evander showed a clear lack of foot movement, punch output, and was basically a sitting duck.

He was very much the same vs Ruiz, and the Quiet Man deserved a clear decision over an also 37 yr old Holyfield.

But it's clear Holyfield lost b/c at his age and with the wear and tear he just couldn't pull thr trigger like he had before. No-one ever claims Ruiz beats a prime Holyfield.

So why are so many saying Lennox beats a prime Holyfield, when after he fought Lewis, he went on to lost to Ruiz??

I think it's as obvious as can be that the Holy that Lewis beat was a shell of the former great. He was slow, tired, lacked movement and output and was too easily hit. Plus he was a battered old fighter who had been thru many hard fights. This Holy was well past the great Holyfield from Bowe 1 or Foreman. Let's get that out of ther way. Now a peak Lewis was not the guy that beat Holy either. So at their peaks which was Evander 1991-1992 V Lewis of the same era, I think Evander is just that bit too fast and hard for Lewis. He has the stamina, and the chin to take Lewis' best.

Riddick Bowe beat Evander because he had fantastic speed and power and was the bigger man. Lewis does not possess that speed, and he has a suspect chin. Evander could throw heavy shots and more importantly he could throw 3-4 in rapid succession. Lewis is in trouble big time, because his reccuperative skills are not that good

dr_devious wrote:

Decagon wrote:Some people might have forgotten that you once said that Carry Coetzie was one of the 20 greatest heavyweights of all time.

That is one of Razor's more rational opinions compared with his views on Lennox Lewis

If you read my statements on Lewis they are all factual. Not because I am blinded for my dislike for him, Lewis in my view is 4th best in the era of the 90's with Bowe, Holy and Tyson all ahead of him and Lewis was just lucky that he got Tyson and Holyfield past their prime. The prime HW Holyfield of the Douglas/Foreman/Bowe fight would of beat Lewis with tremendous ease, Tyson of the 80's on the other hand would of crucified him

RazorKO wrote:

dr_devious wrote:

Decagon wrote:Some people might have forgotten that you once said that Carry Coetzie was one of the 20 greatest heavyweights of all time.

That is one of Razor's more rational opinions compared with his views on Lennox Lewis

If you read my statements on Lewis they are all factual. Not because I am blinded for my dislike for him, Lewis in my view is 4th best in the era of the 90's with Bowe, Holy and Tyson all ahead of him and Lewis was just lucky that he got Tyson and Holyfield past their prime. The prime HW Holyfield of the Douglas/Foreman/Bowe fight would of beat Lewis with tremendous ease, Tyson of the 80's on the other hand would of crucified him

Thing is mate these aren't facts their your opinions just as saying if the fight was else where Ruddock would have brutally KO'd Lewis or that Gerry Coetzee is the 16th best heavyweight ever while Lewis is not in the top 20 are also opinions. To a neutral observer it appears your opinions are highly biased i.e. your the only person on here who holds these views and you are also a Ruddock fan and just happen to live in Coetzee's hometown.

You're entitled to hold and express your opinions obviously, but to try and claim you're not bias seems ridiculous. If you want people to take you seriously you either need to admit this or start being more objective. I mean are you seriously saying when you see a fantasy fight with Lewis in you judge it in the same way you would any other fighter, in fact you rarely seem to comment on threads not relating to Lewis.

Lewis vs peak Holy would be close, would go to points again no doubt, I fancy Lewis to get the decision though.
Lewis vs peak Tyson, there are two likely possible results. Either Tyson KOs Lewis in first 3 or 4 or Lewis wins by late stoppage. A bit like their actual fight only Tyson would be dangerous longer. Again, I take Lewis to win late.
Razor, you are totally biased against Lennox Lewis

walshb wrote: Riddick Bowe beat Evander because he had fantastic speed and power and was the bigger man. Lewis does not possess that speed, and he has a suspect chin. Evander could throw heavy shots and more importantly he could throw 3-4 in rapid succession. Lewis is in trouble big time, because his reccuperative skills are not that good

Bowe was obviouslt the better man thean Holyfield.

Lewis demolised Bowe in 1988. Bowe refused to fight Lewis as a pro

Holyfield is not a powerful puncher like mcall or Rahman, i dont think he had the power to KO lewis anyway.

dr_devious wrote:Lewis vs peak Holy would be close, would go to points again no doubt, I fancy Lewis to get the decision though.
Lewis vs peak Tyson, there are two likely possible results. Either Tyson KOs Lewis in first 3 or 4 or Lewis wins by late stoppage. A bit like their actual fight only Tyson would be dangerous longer. Again, I take Lewis to win late.
Razor, you are totally biased against Lennox Lewis

Good points.

Holy would struggle to get in close against Lewis, Lewis would keep him at bay with the jab... Lewis' jab was the best one of the 90s in HW division.

RazorKO is biased against Lewis, but then again most americans are

Heartbreak_Kid79 wrote:RazorKO is biased against Lewis, but then again most americans are

He's South African.

J-C wrote:

RazorKO wrote:

dr_devious wrote: That is one of Razor's more rational opinions compared with his views on Lennox Lewis

If you read my statements on Lewis they are all factual. Not because I am blinded for my dislike for him, Lewis in my view is 4th best in the era of the 90's with Bowe, Holy and Tyson all ahead of him and Lewis was just lucky that he got Tyson and Holyfield past their prime. The prime HW Holyfield of the Douglas/Foreman/Bowe fight would of beat Lewis with tremendous ease, Tyson of the 80's on the other hand would of crucified him

Thing is mate these aren't facts their your opinions just as saying if the fight was else where Ruddock would have brutally KO'd Lewis or that Gerry Coetzee is the 16th best heavyweight ever while Lewis is not in the top 20 are also opinions. To a neutral observer it appears your opinions are highly biased i.e. your the only person on here who holds these views and you are also a Ruddock fan and just happen to live in Coetzee's hometown.

You're entitled to hold and express your opinions obviously, but to try and claim you're not bias seems ridiculous. If you want people to take you seriously you either need to admit this or start being more objective. I mean are you seriously saying when you see a fantasy fight with Lewis in you judge it in the same way you would any other fighter, in fact you rarely seem to comment on threads not relating to Lewis.

When i mean facts, I mean when I say Lewis was KO'ed by two journeymen, strugged with Holyfield, Mercer, Bruno, Klitshcko and Tucker while shook up by Bruggs and Akiwande.

But your right that it is an opinion when I say Ruddock would of ko'ed Lewis if it hadnt been fought in London. But Lewis was neither elusive or fast, he cant take a blow and hasnt got the heart of any of the top 20 HW's. The only thing going for him is that he can punch.

RazorKO wrote:But Lewis was neither elusive or fast, he cant take a blow and hasnt got the heart of any of the top 20 HW's. The only thing going for him is that he can punch.

Time to agree to disgaree not that one I think

Everyone must be bored of hearing the same arguements over and over re Lewis.

Heartbreak_Kid79 wrote:

dr_devious wrote:Lewis vs peak Holy would be close, would go to points again no doubt, I fancy Lewis to get the decision though.
Lewis vs peak Tyson, there are two likely possible results. Either Tyson KOs Lewis in first 3 or 4 or Lewis wins by late stoppage. A bit like their actual fight only Tyson would be dangerous longer. Again, I take Lewis to win late.
Razor, you are totally biased against Lennox Lewis

Good points.

Holy would struggle to get in close against Lewis, Lewis would keep him at bay with the jab... Lewis' jab was the best one of the 90s in HW division.

RazorKO is biased against Lewis, but then again most americans are

But he couldn't even keep Holyfield at bay with the jab when Holyfield was washed up . . .what gave Lewis any sort of edge vs Evander was his uppercut, as Evander would fall in and not throw the combinations on the inside like he'd done before. Lewis's flicking jab was annoying to Evander but he slipped the wide majority of them fairly easily.

I don't see how beating Rahman shows much regarding Holyfield's ability. Rahman was knocked out twice by Oleg Maskaev and was beaten by Ruiz. Unless the version Holyfield faced was somehow vastly better than any other version of Rahman I don't see Rahman as a huge threat.

Okay, the Holyfield that fought Stewart I or Douglas KO's any version of Lewis like a nasty motherfuckker. Face down. Hard core. KTFO

Lennox Lewis should know better than anybody how lucky he was to catch an old ass 37 yr old Holyfield. Hey, but Holy looked okay, considering...duh...

Prime Holyfield KO's Lewis in a sudden flash in three or four or maybe six. He certainly wouldn't have held Lewis up then like he did Foreman.

Heartbreak_Kid79 wrote:

RazorKO wrote:Holyfield TKO 5

Some people may of fogotten that an old blown up Holyfield actually BEAT prime Lewis in the rematch! But was blindly robbed.

You must have been watching the match with Don King Productions commentary.
The rematch was close but HBO still scored it for Lewis.

I hope people don't rely on HBO and their announcers (Lampley in particular) to tell them who won a fight. They aren't exactly neutral.
Lewis along with the Klitschko's, Roy Jones and a few others are HBO fighters who they have always favored.