The Duke is back...

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 21 Feb 2007, 13:55

Of course I think he is juicing, of course I think most of the heavyweights are juicing. Is he cheating though or just copying?

Klitchsko boys, Briggs, James Toney and several others at the top of the tree have either being accused or found guilty of juicing.

Boxingnut.

Didn't Palacios die a few years back.... Thought he was still HIV positive.

TerribleTerry · Post by **TerribleTerry** » 21 Feb 2007, 14:14

MightyWarrior wrote:He looked better with a mullet.

True, but then again, EVERYONE looks better with a mullet.

"Business in the front, party in the back!"

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 22 Feb 2007, 07:12

Tommy has come in at his lightest weight since 1990. Albeit by a couple of pounds.

220.

Pic at fightnews - He does look like a bodybuilder from the side view also.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 22 Feb 2007, 08:06

Oh dear, Tommy looks dreadful, his skin tone is awful, he looks really bad. That physique is ridiculous, look how far out his abs are, he has the 'bowl' shaped stomach you get from doing crunches with weights and he looks far too muscle bound to be effective.

Slapsie Maxie · Post by **Slapsie Maxie** » 22 Feb 2007, 08:25

As my granny used to say

" no good will come of this"

Whatever the rights and wrongs of the HIV scenario, he is still 18 years older than the fighter who got his arse handed to him on a plate by Ray Mercer.

Heavies have got even bigger in the meantime.

I would be concerned for his health HIV or not.

I see a few warm ups against stiffs, a sound beating at the hands of a top 5 and another retirement in his future

Hopefully, neither he NOR anyone else will suffer long term harm

Slapsie

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 22 Feb 2007, 08:59

jamesmcdonnell wrote:Oh dear, Tommy looks dreadful, his skin tone is awful, he looks really bad. That physique is ridiculous, look how far out his abs are, he has the 'bowl' shaped stomach you get from doing crunches with weights and he looks far too muscle bound to be effective.

Yeah, I agree. He must have any legs judging from the pic and his weights. His top half looks much bigger than his prime yet he weighs less.

Hard to believe he is only 5lbs heavier than his opponent (assuming thats him in the picture). He is as tall and twice as wide. He must have not done any work on his legs.

Rocky didn't teach him too good.

E · Post by E » 22 Feb 2007, 11:59

TerribleTerry wrote:
MightyWarrior wrote:He looked better with a mullet.
True, but then again, EVERYONE looks better with a mullet.

"Business in the front, party in the back!"

Jaysus we must be telepathic.....I was thinking the exact same thing!

That is my favourite mullet euphymism - says it all.

Find more herein a great wikipedia article:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mullet_%28haircut%29

Soem of my favs (In addition to TerribleTerry's all time classic):

The Achy Breaky Big Mistakey
The 10-90 (for 10% up front, 90% in the back)
The MacGyver
The Canadian Passport

Boxingnut · Post by **Boxingnut** » 22 Feb 2007, 13:53

Boxingnut.

Didn't Palacios die a few years back.... Thought he was still HIV positive.[/quote]

Stu

Palacios did indeed die a few years ago. In his book, Looking for a Fight, Dave Matthews refers to a story Howard Rainey told him of a former Colin McMillan opponent who tested positive after a fight and was so devastated he went on a massive crime spree and got sent down for attempting to smuggle heroin into the US. Years later, whilst in jail he found out that there had been a mix-up with the resuls and he had actually tested negative. I thought it might have been Palacios as I think he was arrested trying to smuggle drugs. It must have been someone else.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 22 Feb 2007, 14:14

Boxingnut wrote:Boxingnut.

Didn't Palacios die a few years back.... Thought he was still HIV positive.

Stu

Palacios did indeed die a few years ago. In his book, Looking for a Fight, Dave Matthews refers to a story Howard Rainey told him of a former Colin McMillan opponent who tested positive after a fight and was so devastated he went on a massive crime spree and got sent down for attempting to smuggle heroin into the US. Years later, whilst in jail he found out that there had been a mix-up with the resuls and he had actually tested negative. I thought it might have been Palacios as I think he was arrested trying to smuggle drugs. It must have been someone else.[/quote]

I read that book, didn't remember that bit! That's a bloody hard luck story alright, going mental cos you've got HIV, then finding out in jail it was a load of bollocks whilst doing a 20 stretch, and then probably ending up with HIV after being shunted by 'Big Dirk' the west-coast gangbanger.

bennie · Post by **bennie** » 22 Feb 2007, 14:25

The sport of boxing eases uncomfortably into its seat tonight as two high-profile heavyweights make their way back from the dead to a venue known locally as "The Harv" in a tanktown called Chester, West Virginia.
Where else would Tommy Morrison and Joe Mesi surface? Where else would Tommy Morrison and Joe Mesi get a licence to fight on the same show?
Morrison, a big-hitting relative of John Wayne and Rocky movie star, has his first fight in 11 years. He claims to be HIV negative, after a much-publicised positive diagnosis in 1996 in Las Vegas. It's a hard thing to believe. His impressive physique belies an old-looking face at 38, a brain that kicks his mouth into gear about "misdiagnosis" and "unfinished boxing business"; sick-looking eyes.
He almost constantly wears shades.
Mesi looks better but suffered bleeding from the brain after a hard-earned win over former Olympic champion Vassiliy Jirov in 2004. It's his first 10-rounder since, though he squeezed in four-rounders in Michigan and Arkansas, a six-rounder in Montreal and an eight-rounder in Puerto Rico. But he hasn't fought anyone.
Tucked away on the undercard, neither man can be ignored on a night when everything needs to go right.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 22 Feb 2007, 14:31

Yep, these two are the official poster boys for the 'let's abolish boxing' crew.

One brain injured death waiting to happen, and an steroid infalted aids wridden dead man walking. Welcome to boxing.

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 22 Feb 2007, 15:50

There were doubts about Tommy's HIV two years ago. Although he did say its probably the argument that PN stated.... Doctors still say he was HIV positive despite the tests coming back as negative... due to his general health being fine and him taking the medication. He did say (and this was back in 2004) that he'd been passing tests for several years.

He did believe the Doctors at that time, but I think the doubts might have raised from there and continue to raise.... He wasn't pressing for a comeback and seemed very calm talking about it.

There is a link to that article (from Doghouse boxing) over on the current scene (similar thread title).

Goz · Post by **Goz** » 23 Feb 2007, 10:40

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xi7wo2KTkaQ

This is an interesting video about false HIV diagnosis, it appears it may happen more often than we think.

stujones · Post by **stujones** » 23 Feb 2007, 11:31

Goz wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xi7wo2KTkaQ

This is an interesting video about false HIV diagnosis, it appears it may happen more often than we think.

Very interesting... this debate is starting to hurt my brain.

Apparently Tommy won in the second round with a KO - but looked very poor hurt and CUT in the first and was gassing at the time of the stoppage. All in all, the prognosis of him as a fighter doesn't look good.

Perhaps more interestingly was that there was a guy with him at ringside telling him what questions to answer and what questions to avoid. The one which asked "where did you take the HIV test" was avoided.

Some remarkably scary stats on that video though in defence of Tommy.

Roars Like Me · Post by **Roars Like Me** » 23 Feb 2007, 12:28

Drugs or not. Imagine the shape a Sanders ,Holmes would come in at.
At least(illegally or not) he's had to work hard to get his body looking like an athlete.

A lot of heavies are a fat disgrace and they haven't even retired to comeback yet..

Good on yer Tommy!